Week 2 Reflections on Process – End of Week
I am not alone
It was comforting to note that others had the same issues I mentioned in my first blog on this week about how to contribute to the discussion board. The comments came on Friday and I didn’t see them until Saturday which is why I didn’t contribute. But in the Black Hole discussion the following discussion thread appear (I am just taking extracts).
Jane: The chat does get confusing, especially if you miss a day of logging on (or even half a day). Cross referencing across threads does happen - I found it hard to know where to comment. You raised an interesting question - who gives up? When people feel they've lost the train of conversation. In a class, people repeat what one another has said, but on line, I get worried that people will think I've not read their post if I inadvertently repeat it.
Brendan: Within each scenario there are many comments saying many things that are worthy of reply but frequently the reply you might make has already been said by someone else or by yourself in a response to someone else.
Also what did you do at the start? I decided not to look at others' responses until I'd given my own view. Inside I kinda felt it was cheating to read others first yet I know thats wrong.
Jane: Yes, it could feel like cheating because we are giving a written answer to this, I know what you mean, but F2F it isn't cheating to listen to previous remarks. Perception is interesting here. I didn't think about cheating, I was more focused on making a useful contribution, not wasting people's time in reading it.
I shared Brendan’s confusion about how to start whether to look at others’ comments or not. I didn’t feel so much as cheating as Jane mentions but wanted to get my own thoughts in order first. I felt I needed a basis from which to join the discussion. And I thought I might get easily swayed into one way of thinking about it if I started by reading others. But I now realise that I could have kept that in the background – by just outlining privately my thoughts – as I did in MindManager - and then jump into the discussion. (See First Post – below). Also I was getting confused initially by cross-referencing that Jane mentions. Where should I ‘hang’ my post?
Improving during the week
First Post
My first post was on the Black Hole. I have copied it below and the threaded discussion:
Silvana: Joanne reports that the tutors just told everyone to use the discussion board if they wanted to. If someone told me that, the message I would get is that the tutors themselves did not take the discussion board seriously. The design of the course was partly independent study, some face to face, and the discussion board seems just to have been thrown in. I would get the message that the independent study and face to face were the key components of the course.
Basically, the students who first started to use the discussion board set the tone - they just happened to be middle aged cat lovers. With no direction from the tutors, rather than becoming a learning environment the discussion board became a "cat chat". These students obviously interpreted the board as having a social function. It worked for them. Joanne instead wanted support in learning and interpreted that as the function of the discussion board. Alone, she tried to use it as a learning environment - with no response. Very humiliating for her - and probably very puzzling for the "cat chatters". The fault here is clearly with the tutors. (Although with adult learners, you could argue that they could also have taken some responsibility for their own learning and challenge the tutors about what they were suppose to use the discussion board for.)
What could be done at this point? I'd be inclined to say it is too late for this discussion board. But if I had to pick up the pieces and I decided that I wanted the discussion board to be a learning environment, I would a) respond privately to Joanne to reassure her b) post a message on the discussion board referring to Joanne's post and ask the others if they found problematic whatever topic Joanne had problems with c) start introducing some structure into the discussion - posing questions about key points in the course, and d) set up a social chat area for those who wanted it.
Having said the above - I have NO experience of working with discussion boards - so the above suggestions are just based on my "gut response".
Could the problem have been avoided? Absolutely. First of all, you should never include a teaching element if you are not going to take it seriously. Or think through what you are trying to achieve with that element. If you as a tutor don't take it seriously, why should the students? If in the course design, the discussion board was seen as an important component, you need to think through how it will interact with the other two components - the independent study and the face to face sessions. The tutors need to give a clear message to the students about its function and importance to the course. The tutors need to give some direction to the discussion - otherwise, people will just interpret how to use it for themselves or not use it at all - which happened in this scenario. Also the tutors need to monitor the discussion closely and intervene when necessary - so individuals don't feel excluded or rejected - as in this case.
Brendan: I'm with you all the way Silvana. If it serves no real purpose is shouldn't be part of the course. A bit more thought was required.
Eneas: I agree Silvana. The designers and moderators of the course did not give enough direction in how this discussion board should be used. Consequently members of the discussion board did not develop and share common learning objectives, which would have come out of good design. This obviously led to Joanne's frustration and feelings of alienation.
The teacher/moderator should have monitored and moderated regularly to make sure that learning was actually happening and not just being facilitated through the availability of this discussion Board.
Clara: I concur too Silvana – some excellent ideas (and I say that as an “experienced”* online facilitator!)
And for this: “you should never include a teaching element if you are not going to take it seriously. Or think through what you are trying to achieve with that element.”
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. For me, the real problem here is a poorly thought out curriculum design – it’s like pushing over a domino, others fall afterwards. Though, that doesn’t help poor Joanne! Fortunately, you’ve all been coming up with excellent strategies for resolving the problem.
C.
*for a given value of “experienced – we’re all still learning :)
OK – so I made some good points but the problem with that first post as I now see it, is that it was written as an answer to an essay question. I didn’t do anything in that post to open up a discussion. Also it is written in quite an authoritative style – which I realised in the middle of writing – which is why I added the caveat that I had no experience of working with discussion boards. But I think that it is part of the transition of having a ‘written discussion’. Because I was writing, I was thinking essay style – I had forgotten it was suppose to be a discussion.
Starting to get comfortable
However, after posting the above, I went through and started to read and comment on other people’s thoughts. I found (because we have such a great group) I could model how to engage in a ‘written discussion’ by how other people were responding. I saw that discussions that seemed to flow had relatively short contributions. Not too short – although sometimes you read something and you want to say “spot on” or “thanks for the reference”. But I need to keep in mind that conversations flow – even if they are asynchronous.
The other thing that gets conversations flowing is to raise questions. I found that I started to engage in what other people were saying and started to post questions. Below is an early example:
The numbers 2:1, 2:2 etc indicate the chronological order of the posts. This was a thread initiated by Youenn on the Black Hole. He made several points in his post but I raised a question about one of his points which was whether assessments would make a difference. This generated a discussion. Youenn responded but so did several others.Just putting on my qualitative analyst’s hat for a moment, I found it interesting to map out the responses to this thread and think about classifying the responses. (I used ATLAS.ti to do this which is one of the qualitative software packages I teach.) I am sure people have written about this but I found it helpful to see types of responses as:
Agrees with, discusses, expands, reflects on, and raises questions.
I’ve only done it with this one thread but ‘agrees with’ seems to stop the flow of the discussion – although it is obviously important in confirming and supporting one’s ideas. You can see Clara coming in by raising questions and expanding on ideas but both Jennifer and I did that as well. Youenn is very good at responding whereas the rest of us responded only once – was that because Youenn initiated the thread? Although in reading the other threads I know that there were many where conversations were developing between people who had not initiated the thread. I haven’t look at those closely but I wonder whether they developed later in the week as people were getting more comfortable with each other and the discussion board - (This thread was earlier in the week.) - or whether this was initiated by people who are more use to the discussion board format.
Strategies I started to adopt
The strategies I started to use engage people in conversation were:
To ask what others thought
To give examples of what I mean
To reveal personal experience
Starting with revealing personal experience – the Invisible Student became my third (unexpected) topic. (I was going to do the Saboteur.) By this time I was starting to understand about the conversation bit of the discussion board and it suddenly occurred to me to use my own personal experience of being initially invisible – and the cues people pick up from just written communication. This post sounded more like my conversational self – yet at the same time I think it addressed some of the issues of the scenario.
I think it is surprising what pictures people can make about what we look like, our tone of voice, our personality from just our writing. I think we can't help it - we need to build a picture of the person with whom we are communicating.
I am talking from my own experience here. I run face to face workshops. I am freelance so people email me about what the course is about etc before they attend. And I have found that because of my name - Silvana di Gregorio - people are often surprised when they finally meet me. The most usual mistake is that during all our communication they thought I was a man. And they are shocked to hear my American accent. I had one man tell me that he expected to meet a middle aged Eastern European man with grey hair and a beard. (How did he build that picture from just email correspondence?) I was amused that he must have spent the first hour of the class readjusting to the real me.
And I have had the same experience imagining the students before I meet them. As I am not familiar with the Japanese or Chinese language, I often cannot tell if a student is male or female. So I am quite careful about not presuming what gender they are when I write to them. And I do make pictures of what students are like before I meet them. (Not intentionally, it just happens.) And sometimes I am quite surprised that my image was way off. I must be taking cues by how they express themselves in writing. And I think names (such as mine) have an impact.
I think our bodies are an important part of our identity. We express ourselves through our bodies. So we think of people having bodies. And people respond to how we express ourselves in our bodies. And if, as in this scenario, bodies are damaged in some way or are different, maybe we don't look at these people carefully enough to see the whole person. And in an online environment we are not distracted by the visual. Or as in the case of Second Life we can choose what we look like. I was reading Tim Guest's book - Second Lives - and was really struck by his description of how a group of people with severe cerebral palsy and mental retardation were liberated by their alter ego in Second Life where they could walk, dress themselves etc. – do things that they could not do in their first life. So yes, I can see it as liberating – being free of our real bodies. But I am not sure how much control we have over people making pictures and assumptions about us – whether in text, or even in Second Life.
And then I realised that although I have not taught in an online environment, I had experience from my face to face work of teaching people with disabilities. And that I could extrapolate from that. Again from the Invisible student.
If this had been an on-line course, none of the other students would have realised she was visually impaired. In fact, she was able to follow my digital handbook instructions better than some of the sighted students. I noticed that some of the students with perfect vision kept asking me for help because either their eyes had skipped a couple of lines in the handbook or they hadn't read far enough. Whereas you can't skip sentences accidently when they are read out to you. She also had an advantage as she had to become very expert at using computers. So the visually impaired student had an advantage over the sighted students in a digital environment.
Summary so far on process
So although I was tied up most of the week with work commitments, I was able to learn how to participate and contribute in an on-line environment. I have been focussing on learning to take part in the conversation but I also see the value of lurking or as David A called being a ‘meditator’. From just reading the posts I learned an awful lot. I intend to do another post on the substance of what was discussed – I hope I have time.
2 Comments (+/-)
Hi Rory, That makes sense for you and Clara to divide up the work. The work load looks quite a lot even with commenting on 15 blogs a week! Plus everything else you have to do.