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Contents

  1. Blog post: 14 September 2010 -- First Post
  2. Blog post: 16 September 2010 -- wrapping up O-week / week 0
  3. Blog post: 21 September 2010 -- Discussing discussion boards
  4. Blog post: 22 September 2010 -- Discussing discussing discussion boards
  5. Blog post: 24 September 2010 -- Two (maybe not so) random thoughts on 'a false sense of linearity'
  6. Blog post: 28 September 2010 -- (Not so) first thoughts on the Net Generation fallacy
  7. Blog post: 30 September 2010 -- I am bored with the whole discussion
  8. Blog post: 12 October 2010 -- Wrapping up week 2
  9. Blog post: 12 October 2010 -- It's bodies behind terminals, week 3 core reading
  10. Blog post: 12 October 2010 -- It's embodiedness plus, week 3, secondary readings
  11. Blog post: 12 October 2010 -- OMG, trying to recreate a twitter flow
  12. Blog post: 18 October 2010 -- Wrapping up week 3
  13. Blog post: 18 October 2010 -- Week 4 - Lost
  14. Blog post: 18 October 2010 -- week 4 - body confusion goes on
  15. Blog post: 18 October 2010 -- week 4 - final thoughts
  16. Blog post: 22 October 2010 -- week 4 and 5 - why I am not happy
  17. Blog post: 22 October 2010 -- Role Reversal: Clara blogging
  18. Blog post: 25 October 2010 -- week 4 an 5 again: I was really criticizing the IDEL design
  19. Blog post: 27 October 2010 -- week 6 : complaints about readings again and a view on my PLE
  20. Blog post: 01 November 2010 -- iGoogle and my PLE
  21. Blog post: 02 November 2010 -- Off on a tangent. Sanger vs (a.o.) Brown and Adler
  22. Blog post: 03 November 2010 -- VLEs and PLEs (and PPs)
  23. Blog post: 04 November 2010 -- Some thoughts on portfolios
  24. Blog post: 18 November 2010 -- IDEL week 9: Web 2.0, misconceptions, and possible implications for learning
  25. Blog post: 26 November 2010 -- My trouble with the word presence
  26. Blog post: 29 November 2010 -- Presences and Communities of Inquiry
  27. Blog post: 02 December 2010 -- Choose, focus, manage your time
  28. Blog post: 06 December 2010 -- Final thoughts
  29. Blog post: 10 December 2010 -- Final final thoughts

Blog post: 14 September 2010


First Post

It's been quite a busy afternoon, trying not to get overwhelmed by the multitude of tools that are being used in the IDEL10 course.

So far I  have:

  • set up a profile at the holyrood park hub
  • sent out friend requests there to all members of the IDEL10 course team
  • logged in on WebCT and began reading
  • went through the course guide
  • and have now set up the weblog, added all the tutors as friends (waiting for approval by Clara O'Shea), created a group

I am not completely clear about whether only Clara should be in that group, or whether the other tutors should be in that group as well. So, Clara, once you've approved of my friend request on this blog, and you've read this, please let me know by writing a comment? TIA. But anyway, I can't add Clara to the group before she accepted my friend request here.

And just to help my own memory, this weblog is linked to my googlemail account, I did not want to run the risk to go through a change in e-mail address in about 6 weeks time, just to find out that it might not be possible and set up a new blog again.

Okay, back to WebCT now.

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  1. Hi Hans

    There is certainly a lot of setting up to do for the course – well done on getting so much done so soon!

    For the weblog, I will be the tutor that responds to your blog, but Sian, Rory and Hamish will all need access for assessment purposes.

    Below are some quick comments I’ve shared with each student as they have started up their blog…

    Some general comments about the blog


    The purpose of the blog is be an open, reflective, dialogue between the two of us – somewhere you can develop ideas, not somewhere where ideas are delivered fully formed, evidence and argued.  The metaphor I find myself working with is a cross between a diary and a chat I might have with a lecturer before or after a small group seminar.

    You might want to consider scheduling time to make your blog entries.  Three or four entries a week is ideal.  It might be a good idea to include time to blog with your time for doing the course reading.  Then again a great ‘blog thought’ might hit you at any time – so find a way to keep track of those ideas for when you later have time to reflect on them.  Indeed, there’s nothing wrong with making a two line blog post, and following it up later.

    I’d also encourage you to be adventurous with your use of the medium.  You might find visuals, video etc that can help you express your ideas – even though this is an assessment activity, it’s a chance to have fun and explore developing your own blog voice.

    I’ll check in on the blogs two or so times each week. So you should be hearing from me fairly regularly, but it might be a couple of days between your post and my response (I work part-time!). 

    I’ll respond to your post in the comments section (like I’m doing now).  My intention in commenting on your posts is to be supportive, clarifying and challenging.  You don’t have to respond to all of my comments.  It’s up to you which bits you want to then respond to further – and whether you want to continue the conversation in the comments section or branch into another blog post.

    I might not comment on every blog post – as you might make some posts to track you own ideas rather than needing my input.  It’s also sometimes a bit hard to keep track of comments and posts – something might slip through the net or it might have been set to ‘private’.  If you feel I’ve not responded to something in time just email me that you think something’s amiss.

    Around the end of week 5 we can have a mid-blog review, looking at the blog brief, the assessment criteria, what you have done so far and what you could do further when thinking about the assessment angle of the blog.  I’m eager to improve my practice too – so at that stage I’ll be asking you for feedback too!

    I think that’s it for now.  Kudos again on getting the blog set up and do let me know if you are having any problems or need something further from me.

    All the best

    Clara

    Clara O'Shea on Wednesday, 15 September 2010, 11:48 UTC

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Blog post: 16 September 2010


wrapping up O-week / week 0

All right, looks like I am set to go. A quick review:

 

  • Started using the (ugly) discussion board in WebCT. Of all the web apps in use for this course, WebCT strikes me as the most dull, unappealing, yet is seems to be the core system in use. I'll get over it Smile.
  • Completed the course pre questionnaire on Wednesday, WebCT warned that it would take an hour, when in fact it wasn't even two minutes.
  • Put up a profile in the 'who we are, where we are' wiki page in WebCT. Looks like this module comes from Atlassian's enterprise wiki Confluence (http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/tour/?gclid=CMqOr_f). (Why doesn't the 'insert link' option in this blog software work? Ah, you need to select some text first? Nope, it opens up an insert box but not a field where I can insert, at least using Google Chrome.) Thank God I am a bit familiar with that product, it has a steep learning curve and I had to tinker quite a bit to get everything to look right.
  • Put up a rather spectacular Wink video on the Wallwisher (http://www.wallwisher.com/wall/idel10-1) page, and found out that I couldn't upload video directly to that site so made a detour and created a YouTube account and linked to that. It sure added to the YAA (Yet another account) experience.
  • I had set up a Twitter account earlier but don't like it very much. In order to avoid to go there as much as possible I added RSS feeds for the hash tags #mscel and #mscidel to my Google Reader.
Looks like I'm mostly done. I need to still redirect the UofE mailbox. I wonder when the invoice from UofE will arrive. And I want to take a look at the library services on offer.

 

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    Hi Hans

     

    It was a spectacular video!  I’m rather jealous – I’m terribly allergic to horses but I do love them.

     

    The multiplication of accounts, particularly in these first few weeks can be a tad overwhelming.  So kudos for keeping at it.

     

    Hopefully during out ‘twittertorial’ in week 3 you’ll get a sense of how Twitter can be used.  It would be good to come back to these feelings and critically examine them in the light of the readings we do that week.

     

    For the invoices – we have to note whether students are ‘in’ class in by around week 2.  After students are confirmed as attending, the finance office processes the invoices.  It can be a slow procedure, so it may be a good few weeks before you see an invoice.  If you are worried, you can contact the Finance Office.  (Info on student finance is in the ‘myStuff’ tab of MyEd).

     

    Cheerio

     

    C.

    Clara O'Shea on Monday, 20 September 2010, 07:55 UTC

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Blog post: 21 September 2010


Discussing discussion boards

We're now on the second day of the first week and have been discussing 'stories from the dark side of e-learning'. The real aim of the exercise seems to me to be discussing the use of discussion boards and to create some sense of community. As such, I think the first results are good.

Looking around the internet for some guidelines on the use of online discussion boards I came across one interesting site with the title Online Pedagogy and Engagement. With the following:

Best Practices in Asynchronous Communication

  • Inform learners of your expectations for how these tools will be used as part of the course.
  • Create a “Tell About Yourself” Discussion Area. Post information about yourself and the course initially. Ask students to do the same. Your use of the tool models an appropriate use of it and provides students with the initial prompt to begin a discussion. This exercise will also reveal if students are having difficulty understanding how to post or reply to a message.
  • Focus the discussion by carefully preparing questions in advance.
  • Provide discussion board participation guidelines to students, including instructor expectations and rules of conduct.
  • Monitor the discussion or assign a student monitor to keep learners focused on the topic.
  • Oversee the quality and regularity of the postings. If learners appear to post late (when you have already gone on to another posting), do not participate, or post non-substantive messages, communicate with that student privately.
  • Consider asking students to facilitate discussions in specific content areas where they may have particular expertise or where expertise needs to be developed. Having a student lead the discussion can lead to the student preparing in advance with relevant issues and information.
  • Provide a summary of the discussion before moving on to a new thread.

Online pedagogy and engagement, http://www.gadsdenstate.edu/academics/elearning/online_pedagogy.php (accessed September 20, 2010)

It looks like the IDEL team is following most of these guidelines.

Another, similar but much shorter set of guidelines comes from a reference by one of the participants (I should mention his / her name but finding stuff back in the many threads is too much of a hassle):

  • Require students to participate
  • Grade student efforts
  • Involve learning teams
  • Structure discussions
  • Require a hand-in assignment (a deliverable)
  • Pose questions and scenarios that require learners to use their own experience
  • Relate the discussion to course objectives

Margie A. Martin (2005), Using Interaction in Online Discussion Boards, Educause Quarterly, nr. 4,
http://net.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/EQM05410.pdf (accessed September 21, 2010)

Again, the IDEL team is following best practices.

I find the experience in WebCT's discussion boards suboptimal since you have to jump from message to message and don't have a real feel for the flow of the discussion. A blog post with threaded comments would be better to get a feel for the flow. In the six cases there are already a total of 50 posts (today, 4:46 pm Bremen time).

The most interesting posts so far are those relaying experiences with similar tools. My own experience is very limited. Haven't been teaching for more that 20 years and been on the support side ever since. If I look at how most teachers use DLEs, it is mostly as a fileserver, for uploading the slides from their lectures.

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  1. Hi Hans

    It’s great to see you already going beyond the course materials and drawing in resources to think about the course themes.

    I wonder though if either of those guidelines are ‘best practice’.  What makes them a credible source?  Not that I am saying they don’t ring true in some ways – but I’d encourage you to think about how robust their claims are.  Are they drawing on the research and literature to evidence their claims? Do you think those guidelines would help resolve the issues arising in our stories from the dark side? How do their claims align with your own professional practice or experiences as a learner? It might be useful to think about how similar situations could arise in your professional experience with offering support to colleagues (imagine your colleagues as learners perhaps?).

    WebCT can be clunky and difficult.  For me, I’m not sure a blog is ideal either for many-to-many dialogue – as it can create a false sense of linearity.  Have you found the ‘compile’ button? It’s the   icon that looks like a few circles overlapping with a cross on top that follows the subject line when you are in a forum view (not in an individual post).  Quite handy! 

    Looking forward to hearing more!

    C.

    Clara O'Shea on Wednesday, 22 September 2010, 18:40 UTC

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Blog post: 22 September 2010


Discussing discussing discussion boards

In response to a comment by Clara on the post before this one. 

 

>I wonder though if either of those guidelines are ‘best practice’.  What makes them a credible source?  Not that I am saying they don’t ring true in some ways – but I’d encourage you to think about how robust their claims are.  Are they drawing on the research and literature to evidence their claims?<

 

I had done a search on ERIC first on the topic of discussion boards and the results drove me mad (like they always do when you hardly know what you're looking for, new subject, especially when you're using library systems). I referenced one of the articles I found through ERIC on the discussion board and it was way too theoretical for me, though resonated with the first source I cited above which I found through a Google search. The other source was mentioned by another student on the discussion board and Educause Quarterly is to me a reliable source. And hey, yet more overlap. Now, why wasn't there a core reading article or chapter on this topic, just so we could get started with the more 'robust' material?

 

The more general question I have regarding this comment is whether I have made the right decision in joining the MScEL program. I don't have a theoretical background in pedagogy / didactics and really don't have much ambition in that direction. Just for fun, I went through the articles in the Journal of Computer Assisted Learning special issue on Net Generation this evening, topic of next week. Every article rehashed the same literature, there was much cross citing going on, some original survey work (dataset from 2006, oops) and gosh, all students are different. Practical implications for e-learning? Hardly. The best practices I cited above rang a bell with me though, especially as I could see how the IDEL team is applying them, except, for now maybe, relating the discussion to the course objectives (other than to get acquainted with discussion boards and community development, so I guess to be the objectives of the first week, correct me if I am wrong).

 

>Do you think those guidelines would help resolve the issues arising in our stories from the dark side?<

 

Yes I think they would, see my contributions in the discussion boards. Although most cases really don't give you enough information to get a feeling for what was really going on. Alright, I could have asked more questions before starting to give answers. 

 

>How do their claims align with your own professional practice or experiences as a learner.<

 

Hardly, I don't have much experience with discussion boards in my professional practice, and my learning is basically from reading, reading, reading. That's why I jumped to ERIC in the first place.

 

>It might be useful to think about how similar situations could arise in your professional experience with offering support to colleagues (imagine your colleagues as learners perhaps?).<

 

You've just mentioned one of the reasons why I am quitting my job ;-).

 

>WebCT can be clunky and difficult.  For me, I’m not sure a blog is ideal either for many-to-many dialogue – as it can create a false sense of linearity.<

 

Not sure what you mean by 'a false sense of linearity'. I was complaining about a lack of overview. Scrolling through a discussion is less hassle than clicking all the time. And like I said in one of my first posts, I'll get over using WebCT, don't worry.

 

>Have you found the ‘compile’ button? It’s the   icon that looks like a few circles overlapping with a cross on top that follows the subject line when you are in a forum view (not in an individual post).  Quite handy!<

 

Nope, can't find it either after reading your description (screen dump, please?), not sure what you mean by 'forum view', but maybe it's getting too late for me.

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    Hi Hans


    We figure that in the first week everyone’s quite busy getting their accounts set up, getting used to the new environments, starting to get to know each other and building up a shared idea of how we might learn together.  Doing reading on top of that seemed like an unfair demand.  Don’t worry – you’ll get readings aplenty in the next few weeks!  :)

     

    Knowing what kind of journal a source has been published in does give a in towards how reliable a source it might be, but also knowing things about what kind of evidence the source is using, how cohesive it’s arguments are, how it matches up to other arguments etc is also useful.

     

    The reason a lot of articles seemingly ‘rehash’ or cross-refer to existing work is to show how their particular bit of work fits within the wider field.  Imagine you are trying to locate and navigate to my office on a map – giving you the street name isn’t enough.  It’s useful to know that Edinburgh Castle is to the west, Princes Street to the north, Arthur’s Seat is to the south and my building is directly opposite Old Moray House.  With research (and in professional practice, I’d argue) you need to do the same thing.  There are intellectual landmarks that we have to locate ourselves around, to acknowledge how they might have influenced our thinking, how we might be challenging them or moving away from them.

     

    For that reason, even though I don’t think being a brilliant theoretician should be an aim for you if it doesn’t take your fancy, I think it’s still worth seeing the literature (both the more empirically based research and the theory stuff) as being important parts of the landscape that can help you think about how you are engaging as a professional in everyday practice.

     

    I do think ‘ringing a bell’ is an important thing too.  If what you’re reading seems to intuitively make sense, then that’s awesome.  And it’s interesting to think about why it makes sense, how it aligns with your experience and knowledge.  That’s all part of holding the theory up to the light and examining it critically. So, in exploring your gut feeling about the best practices, you’re already underway.

     

    (I’d also say noticing things like that the dark side stories didn’t give enough info to really develop complete answers is taking a critical look at things!.)

     

    > You've just mentioned one of the reasons why I am quitting my job ;-).<

     

    :)

     

    > Not sure what you mean by 'a false sense of linearity'. I was complaining about a lack of overview.<

     

    By ‘false sense of linearity’ I meant that it could  make things seem like they unfolded in a way that they didn’t.  For instance, putting everything in chronological order, when someone came along much later but was responding to an early post.

     

    I’m not sure what you mean by lack of overview.  Are you getting to the discussion board each time by following the link from the individual stories, and thus not seeing the whole discussion board?  In which case, there’s a ‘discussions’ link  four icons down on the left hand navigation menu which takes you to the whole course discussion board.  (it looks like a bulletin board pin).

     

    For the compile button, the image isn’t showing up in this post, so I’ll email it to you.

     

    Cheers

     

    C.

    Clara O'Shea on Friday, 24 September 2010, 12:21 UTC

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Blog post: 24 September 2010


Two (maybe not so) random thoughts on 'a false sense of linearity'

Just so I don't forget, will get back later to the comments on Clara's latest comments. No, I think we're done for week 1. Anyway, two thoughts on 'a false sense of linearity'.

  1. IIRC, Google Wave has the option of 'replaying' a wave, so you might be able to see how an asynchronous online discussion truly develops in time. Alas, Google will be discontinuing Wave by the end of the year, although the source code has been released. But I don't think Blackboard will incorporate any open source code in its very proprietary product.
  2. In the end, if I'd like to check out the results of an online asynchronous discussion, am I really interested in how the discussion developed over time? Or am I much more interested in the 'harvest' of the discussion, the arguments pro and contra different ways of handling a case, and whether any conclusions were reached? Actually, one could see the summary ('harvest') of such a discussion as a (collaborative) learning result.

Oh well, the old process versus product discussion.

 

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Blog post: 28 September 2010


(Not so) first thoughts on the Net Generation fallacy

Although the plural of anecdote is not evidence, I'd like to share some personal observations on the whole net generation discussion. One important didactical principle is that you prepare the ground for learning new things in finding connections with what you already know.

A large part of this post is based on a column I wrote in January 2009 on http://www.surfspace.nl, SURF can be seen as the Dutch counterpart of JISC. The column had the title 'Net Generation bestaat niet' (The net generation doesn't exist - http://www.surfspace.nl/nl/Columns/Pages/NetGenerationbestaatniet.aspx).

Anecdote 1

One of the things I have been trying to do at Jacobs University is to use web 2.0 technology to bring the library experience closer to where the users are, rather than having our patrons come to the library homepage and sort it out from there. To that end we developed a catalog widget that you could put on any web page you like, or put on your desktop in an app dock. When we demonstrated a first iteration of this catalog widget to some of our students, they liked it. However, when we asked them whether they would also like this widget as a Facebook app (practically all of our students are on Facebook), their faces went blank. Drilling down, it turned out that none of them knew exactly what a Facebook app is. They might be playing Farmville, but the concept of an app was foreign to them. To them, Facebook basically is the wall, where you post messages and pictures. So much for their supposed (or assumed) technological avant gardism.

Anecdote 2

Jacobs University has a spamming tradition. There are numerous lists and staff, students and faculty really don't care to how many lists they send a message, even though it might be about selling a 10 euro railroad ticket. The worst list is jacobs-talk which can generate tens of thousands of mails, sometimes bringing our mailservers down. In order to relieve our burdened mail servers, we proposed to move some of the lists to Confluence, our enterprise wiki / blog solution. With most modern mail clients having RSS readers built in, we could only see advantages. Our students didn't even know what RSS was, and couldn't be convinced to move away from spamming.

Anecdote 3

Similar to anecdote 2. Jacobs hasn't much of a learning strategy, let alone an e-learning strategy, so should be very careful when it comes to investing in a LMS. We had outdated discussion boards supporting learning and teaching. We created an alternative in Confluence were we automagically created course workspaces based on data in our student / course management system. Students hate Confluence, faculty hardly use it, when they use it, it's for uploading Powerpoint files of their lecture slides.

Anyway, these experiences concurred with what I was reading at the time. One was a huge metastudy by Rolf Schulmeister, Germany's e-learning guru. who is also quoted in the Spiegel article that is on the reading list for this week IDEL. He, Schulmeister, looked at circa 46 studies to conclude that, yes there are new media, but if you look at media use by young people it's mainly for entertainment purposes and for keeping in touch with there friends. (Rolf Schulmeister (2008), Gibt es eine "Net Generation'? (Is there a net generation?), http://www.zhw.uni-hamburg.de/pdfs/Schulmeister_Netzgeneration.pdf (accessed September 28, 2010). Schulmeister also gives the important warning that rather than focus on a minority group of students, the differences in learning styles of students are probably much more important. To me, accommodating different learning styles could be one of the strong points of e-learning, because the technology, in principle, offers flexibility.

The other thing I was reading at the time was the 2008 ECAR study of undergraduate technology use (http://net.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/EKF/ekf0808.pdf, accesses September 28, 2010). The ECAR studies are also frequently mentioned in the special issue on net generation of the Journal of Computer Assisted Learning that I went through last week. The same picture emerges, the majority of students prefer traditional teachers / teaching, only a minority is into web 2.0 as an active user.

The more important discussion is what the implications of such findings are for the e-learning debate. Of course it is fun to dismiss Tapscott, Prensky, and Oblinger, but their stories, apparantly not based on strong evidence. or rather no evidence at all, do have an important message. And that message is that we are teaching in a centuries old fashion to a world that has changed considerably. Just to use myself as an example, oops yet another anecdote, when I had obtained my economics degree in 1982, I vowed to myself that I would never pursue another degree. And yet, here I am enrolled in the MScEL program. What I meant in 1982: please no more boring lectures, workgroups with uninterested fellow students, based on core reading alone. I like learning, but the average university setting is an impediment to learning for people like me. E-learning, and that's the message I took from Oblinger and Tapscott (I have yet to read Prensky) can make learning more engaging and fun and, like, real world like.

 

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  1. Hi Hans

    Great use of anecdotes alongside the literature to make an argument here.  Kudos.

    It did get me wondering if it’s not jut about the tech preferences students might have but about the implications technology has for the roles of teachers and students.  E.g. moving from traditional transmissive model of learning to a more collaborative, coproduced one where students have to take more responsibility for their learning (which might seem like taking on the teacher role, losing the authority of a subject matter expert etc).

    > E-learning, and that's the message I took from Oblinger and Tapscott (I have yet to read Prensky) can make learning more engaging and fun and, like, real world like.<

    It can – and I hope your programme won’t let you down there! But e-learning can also be as hideously boring and dull your economics degree.  To me, the real difference is in the pedagogy behind the technology.  Yes, it’s partly what we use – because the tech has affordances and limitations – but also it’s about how we use it. 

    It might be worth flagging this idea as something to come back to when we look at VLEs and specifically a reading by Cousin (2005) on the relationship between technology and pedagogy.

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Blog post: 30 September 2010


I am bored with the whole discussion

 (Dear Clara: You probably did not see my first post in this week, because I had set it private instead of restricted, sorry, do read that one first though, please.)

 Having read all the articles for this week, not just the core two, I am simply amazed, and also amazed at the discussion in the discussion board. Nine years ago, Prensky coins a pair of terms: digital natives vs immigrants, and we have net generation and millennials (why do the British write millenial - only one n?) as well, and gosh the educational literature is still all over the guy. It was a metaphor to make a point, a simple rhetorical trick. Now, nine years later, time and again it has been proven that there is not much to the whole idea of digital natives, the data doesn't support the claims about the skills of digital natives. So please can we close the discussion and move on to a more interesting subject?

Below a short review of the articles. Apologies for not quoting correctly, I am in a hurry.

Jones, Ramanau, Cross, Healing / Net generation or Digital Natives

When reviewing the literature they already come to the conclusion that there is much evidence against the claims, still we get another survey. "Despite the growth of this evidence base the arguments about a new Net generation or Digital Natives persists (sic) in a popular discourse which is replicated in policy and practitioner literatures." (p. 724) In my own experience from reading the 'policy and practitioner literature', interest in the methaphor has waned in the past few years. A quick search im some selected databases would give a clue as to who is right. I don't have the time for that now. Interestingly enough, I find that there is a disconnect being introduced here between educational theorists and policy makers and practitioners. Not really smart when you set out to criticize a (perceived) disconnect between natives and immigrants.

Table 5 (p. 729) has a real whopper of a typo: "Contributed to a block". Wow, to me it seems the authors don't even know what a blog is.

Table 6 (p. 730) shows that self reported skills of under 25 are consistently higher than those of over 25. My statistics knowledge is to rusty to delve deeper into this.

Main takeaway: none, just another survey confirming what we already know.

Bayne,  Ross / 'Digital native' and 'digital immigrant' discourses: a critique

Second page: "Our view is that this is a discourse which - despite its clear limitations - is becoming internalised by many in higher education (...)". See my remark above regarding my experience that the the interest in the metaphor is waning.

Fourth page: "Any argument can be dismissed if it is spoken in the accent of an immigrant." I think this is stretching the metaphor a bit.

Sixth page: "The terms 'digital immigrant' and 'digital native' are now in such common usage that it is easy to forget they are metaphors (...)." I did a Google (.com, .uk may yield different results) search and found 20,100 hits on the first phrase and 80,100 on the second phrase. Somehow this indicates to me that the phrases are not all that common and that the emphasis is on the natives rather than the immigrants.

Sixth page: colonists and missionaries are introduced, again, the metaphor is stretched and almost becomes ridiculous. Where do these words all of a sudden come from, am I missing a reference?

Main takeaway: take care when using metaphors.

Sharon Stoerger / The digital melting pot

" (...) over time, [metaphors] become inaccurate and dangerous." (p.1 in the abstract). Couldn't she just have left it at that instead of introducing yet another metaphor. Reviews a lot of literature but I miss synthesis.

Main takeaway: none

Bennet, Maton, Kervin / The digital natives debate

Solid article, well written and structured. Mentions Larry Cuban's book 'Oversold and underused: computers in the classroom'. A book I enjoyed reading and from which I learned that you can learn more about e-learning by reading critical texts than by reading the evangelists.

Main takeaway: Prensky accidentally found a way to create a 'moral panic'. Question is: isn't the panic over by now?

Prensky / Digital Natives, Digital Immigrants, part I and II (wasn't on the list)

Part I. Ah, page 2, that's where Bayne and Ross got the immigrant's accent. In that same paragraph, it is quite funny to see how outdated the examples are for recognizing immigrants (turning to the internet for information second, reading a manual).

It's a pamphlet, very well written.

Part II Mainly about neuroplasticity. Interesting read.

Main takeaway: you can also read Prensky's text (part I) as a case for game based learning.

Prensky  / ... Digital Wisdom

See? "(...) we need to imagine a new set of distinctions." (first page) The guy just loves oppositions, a strong rhetorical device indeed. Nothing much new here, yes technology can be a powerful ally to enhance our abilities.

Main takeaway: this metaphor hasn't catched on, I don't think it will.

Kennedy, Judd, Churchward, Gray, Krause / First year students' experiences with technology: Are the really digital natives?

No, they're not, but we knew that already, didn't we? Amused to see that they asked about PDAs (table 1), but hey, the survey is from 2006 (in digital terms the nineteenth century). Smartphones with mobile access to the web are rapidly on the rise now. Amazed that 38.5 percent had no games console (table 2), probably much lower now. 62.9 percent did not use a social networking site (table 4), just goes to show how quickly things change.

Main takeaway: none, it confirms what we knew from the ECAR studies.

Pew / Millennials will make online sharing in networks a lifelong habit.

I only read the overview. I think they are making a mistake when they interpret social networking as 'broadcasting'. it's really 'narrowcasting'.

Main takeaway: none.

Spiegel Online / The internet generation prefers the real world

I liked this one, even though it uncritically repeats stupid examples (multitasking, 'I found it on Google'). It confirms what I earlier said about Schulmeister's meta-analysis (up to 70 now), and the guy is even quoted. I am amazed that young people still watch over two hours television per day (I gave that medium up 5 years ago, signal noise ratio is near zero). What I really like is near the end the teacher who uses web 2.0 in his teaching. That's what the debate should focus on.

Main takeaway: "So instead of tech-savvy young netizens challenging the school, the school itself is painstakingly teaching them how to benefit from the online medium." (p.5, at least on my printout). Yes, and probably making school a lot more interesting at the same time.

And that also indicates what I think would be a much more interesting discussion.

Sorry, long post. See you tomorrow in the chat.

I'll be off next week for my vacation. Will download the literature for next week and read and think about it on the beach and come back with a blog post October 11 or 12, will review discussion board and TWitter archive after that and write a second blogpost about next week's subject. Okay?

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  1. >  (Dear Clara: You probably did not see my first post in this week, because I had set it private instead of restricted, sorry, do read that one first though, please.)<

    I didn’t but I have duly read your earlier post first!  :)

    I’m amazed you have done all the reading.  You know, you only need to do the core reading and one or two secondary readings.  :)

    Point well taken about closing the discussion. Each year we debate whether we want to include the Prenksy (2001) piece at all.  It’s not an academic work, highly polemical and yet almost seductive in the catchiness of the key concept.  So far we’ve agreed that this sort of dichotomy is too prevalent in the literature and students need to know about it and be able to consider it critically, but it does sometimes feel like giving a badly thought out idea too much ‘air space’.  I also think, in contrast to your perspective, that it is still a prevalent idea in education and society more generally, so it’s important  folk are well prepared to engage with it.

    From my perspective, the concept wasn’t just a rhetorical device on Prensky’s part.  He is a true believer and has written copiously on the topic. (http://www.marcprensky.com/writing/default.asp )

    To me, the key point with Bayne and Ross (2007) is that language has the power to shape our understanding, to limit our thinking around an idea, and that by stretching the metaphor they illustrated some of the hidden assumptions and implications it can have, that could otherwise feed into our thinking unimpeded.

    So, having read so copiously, how would you draw the literature together?  What kind of overarching argument might you make about the nature of online students?

    Happy vacation!  See you in a week or so!  :)
    
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Wrapping up week 2

A few comments on comments  by Clara:

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It did get me wondering if it’s not jut about the tech preferences students might have but about the implications technology has for the roles of teachers and students.  E.g. moving from traditional transmissive model of learning to a more collaborative, coproduced one where students have to take more responsibility for their learning (which might seem like taking on the teacher role, losing the authority of a subject matter expert etc).
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Exactly my line of thinking. In my view the technological options should be chosen carefully in order to make such a collaborative pedagogy possible. One example I came along a while ago was were Open Journal Systems (software to enable the publishing of electronic journals) was used in a class project. Students could take on several roles: write articles, review articles, (copy)edit articles, publishing articles. The product of the project were several issues of a journal being published (openly) on the web, adding yet another realistic twist.

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I’m amazed you have done all the reading.  You know, you only need to do the core reading and one or two secondary readings.  :)
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I like reading, the more you read on a subject, the more it makes sense to you.


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So, having read so copiously, how would you draw the literature together?  What kind of overarching argument might you make about the nature of online students?
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There is no overarching argument one can make about the nature of online students, so one should be careful with assumptions. ICTs are only enablers to achieve pedagogic goals. Good teachers work backwards from these goals to design challenging learning environments and choose technologies carefully.

 

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  1. > There is no overarching argument one can make about the nature of online students, so one should be careful with assumptions. ICTs are only enablers to achieve pedagogic goals. Good teachers work backwards from these goals to design challenging learning environments and choose technologies carefully.<

    Call me silly, but I’d say the argument that there is no over-arching argument is an over-arching argument. :)  I think there’s some good ‘take home messages’ here, thanks Hans.

    I might add the caution that while ICT can be enablers it can also limit possibilities and possibly also thinking – but we can get to that idea later when we tackle the Cousins (2005) reading in weeks 6/7.

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It's bodies behind terminals, week 3 core reading

No anecdotes to begin with, but one crossed my mind during reading, see below. Actually, this whole debate is new to me. Obviously did not make it into the 'practitioners' literature Laughing

Dreyfus, H.L. (2001), On the Internet, chapter 2, 'How Far is Distance Learning from Education'

(Unfortunately, the e-book version is crippled with DRM, can only be downloaded for one day and the pdf version wants to connect to the publisher's site, so not fit for downloading to my Sony wifi-less e-reader, and anyway, I seem to be without internet in this tiny fishermen's village on the east coast of beautiful Fuerteventura, Canary Islands.)

Some general thoughts after going over Dreyfus' text twice.

Dreyfus uses a trick generally in use with American writers to kick off his discussion: choose a few hilarious, maybe even ridiculous quotes to oppose against. This goes for the Perelman quote opening the chapter and the Reed Hundt quotes discussed during the opening pages. There is also an opening quote by Agre which could be seen as supportive to Dreyfus' argument. Yet, Twigg (Carol A. Twigg (2001), Innovations in online learning. Moving beyond no significant difference, Center for Academic Transformation, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, http://www.center.rpi.edu/pewsym/Mono4.pdf (link broken - October 12, 2010), and Carol A. Twigg (2003), Improving learning and reducing costs: lessons learned from round I of the Pew Grant Program in course redesign, Center for Academic Transformation, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, http://www.center.rpi.edu/PewGrant/Rd1intro.pdf (link broken - October 12, 2010)) has made the same observation and turns the point into favour of e-learning. Her argument is that when you add technology to an otherwise unchanged educational concept, the technology will only be 'added to'. Cuban makes a similar point (Larry Cuban (2001), Oversold and underused. Computers in the classoom, Harvard University Press), technology has not changed anything in schools (how could it, by itself?). Twigg argues for redesign of education in order to make technology work.

Dreyfus also uses another rhetorical trick: complete opposition of distance learning vs education, and so forces us into an either / or mode of thinking which is not very helpful when it comes to understanding the dynamics of both modes of learning, let alone how one mode could complement the other.

Throughout the text Dreyfus maintains the premise that distance learning can only 'pass on information'. Which is an extremely limited view.

The seven stage model seems an attractive way of viewing education as a process through which students evolve. Yet the model has a few shortcomings:

  • It's way to generalized. Of course I would not undergo surgery from a student who comes fresh out of a distance learning course in surgery, but many skills can be learned that do not ask for going through expensive apprenticeship models. Dreyfus sort of admits this when he says that distance learning can get you to stage three, competence. The examples that he chooses in the advanced stages 5 and 6 -- he does not mention car driving in stage 6 any more, by the way -- suggest that these describe graduate and postgraduate levels, a stage that is simply not relevant for the majority of the world's workforce.
  • Stage 7 does not seem to fit in the model of ever progressing, but might just as well be stage 0.
  • Throughout the stages model, emotions are connected to embodiment. While I think that emotions are crucial in learning (learning should at the very least be fun, in my view), these emotions can also be experienced when learning alone: the joy of having read a good novel; the joy of solving a mathematical problem; the joy of solving a sudoku puzzle without ever having learned anything formally about the puzzle; the joy of developing scenarios for strategic development. One can add many examples.

Page by page remarks.

p. 30. 'What proposed change in the <<method of education>> generates all the excitement?' Exactly, see the remark about Twigg's work above.

p. 32. Ends with the question whether the stages model can be 'implemented and encouraged on the Web?' So the stages model is pertinent to the whole argument. Of course, one can question the limits of the model. For some reason the model also reminds me of the whole concept of levels that we find in so many computer games.

p. 37 'If we were disembodied beings, pure minds free of our messy emotions, our responses to our successes and failures would lack this seriousness and excitement.' Well, we are not disembodied beings, are we? Emotions might show easier in groups, relations, but we also have emotions when we are alone, don't we? How good can it feel to master another level in a computer game you're playing alone?

p. 38 introduces imitation as a way of learning. Usually imitation is seen as a very early stage of learning, here it is introduced in stage three, competence, curious.

p. 39 'at home in front of his or her terminal, there is no place for such risky involvement'. Yes, if learning would be simply passing on information. No, if there is real feedback from either a tutor or from fellow students. This line of thinking is repeated on the same page where Dreyfus talks about anonymous students without a 'class before which the student can shine and also risk making a fool of himself'. Yet a little but further he seems to remark that online environments can be 'much less intimidating'.

Also p. 39, Dreyfus finishes the stage 3 discussion with the remark that 'the absence of face to face learning - may well leave students stuck at competence'. For many students, and maybe for many professions this might be more than enough.

p. 40 'positive and negative emotional experiences will strengthen successful responses and inhibit unsuccessful ones', somehow this reminds me of Skinner.

The whole stage 4 discussion does not seem to discuss the classroom experience, which I find very odd. So, could we conclude that stage 4 can also be reached in absence of face to face?

p. 43 about learning by watching reminded me of John Seely Brown's et. al. latest book The Power of Pull. It tells the story of kids on Hawaii learning how to surf in the absence of teachers. They shoot videos of themselves while surfing and in the evening watch and discuss these videos together. These kids made it into the professional surfing circuits. And this reminded me again of TVI where a class of students watch a canned lecture and every now and then stop the tape to discuss the lecture. Very embodied, again, as in the surfers example, but the absence of a teacher in both examples seems to add, rather than subtract from the learning experience.

p. 44 about teaching assistants picking up their teacher's style: I question that.

p. 46 When it introduces practical wisdom it reminded me of Prensky's digital wisdom. And later in the discussion of that stage it occurred to me that online communities develop a culture of their own, however disembodied that culture might be.

p. 47 On the issue of disintermediating universities I need to check Brown and Duguid's The Social Life of Information where they discuss this issue in one of the final chapters. As to the question: 'can the bodily presence required for acquiring skills in various domains and for acquiring mastery of one's culture be delivered by means of the Internet?', my answer would be it depends when it comes to skills, not sure about the culture mastery part.

And in the end, it's all bodies behind terminals anyway. I do need to follow up on the Twigg reference. Her point is that convential, today's university education is essentially a standardized product, from the student's point of view, whereas e-learning could offer the option of more flexible offerings, accommodating different learning styles.

Yet another anecdote to round this Dfreyfus reading of. I once got into an argument on a Dutch usenet group devoted to power kites. Something I had written was completely misinterpreted and a flame war was about to ensue. I countered with the argument that on fields where kiters meet the atmosphere was much more friendly and helpful (culture on and offline compared). We, that's me, my wife, and the guy I got into an argument with, ended up writing a (web) manual for a power kite design program developed by a Canadian together, a short version of that manual was even published in a Dutch printed kite magazine, truly amazing. Even more amazing, we never met f2f. I am, sure I learned a lot about kite design in the process -- okay, maybe to the level of advanced beginner, but still. And I learned about how cultural norms can be set either on and offline.

Burbules, N. (2002) 'Like a version: playing with online identities', Educational Philosophy and Theory, vol. 34, no. 4, pp. 387 - 393

Nice play on the Madonna song, the title, although the article really doesn't go all that deep into the identity thing as the title seems to make one to expect.

Obviously there is much more nuance to Dreyfus' book than was obvious from chapter 2 alone. Burbules has the same observations about the rhetorical style of Dreyfus that I had.

p. 388 'We need to raise the level of discussion by framing it in new terms.' Somehow I have the feeling Burbules does not achieve this goal. My own take is that this whole talk about embodiedness is just not very helpful to understand what's going, and what could be going on in online learning / e-learning, the same feeling I had about the whole net generation discussion in the week before. And hey:

p. 389 'Indeed, it's arguable that the Internet can foster and support modes of pedagogy that are more engaging, more intellectually stimulating, and foster more teacher-student interaction than the actual experience in many existing educational institutions.'

p. 390 echoes my earlier observation: 'for many students and subject matters, why is competence not adequate?' I'd like to add the observation that Burbules does not even question the whole validity of the seven stages model. On the same page, I like the following sentence: 'So now we arrive at the interesting questions: Where and how can these technologies be used to support particular educational purposes, and where can they not be?' Pretty much sums up my expectation for the MScEL program.

p. 391, the quote from Dreyfus about trust near the end of the page strikes me as completely weird. You have to remember that terms like 'trust' and also 'disintermediation' were used quite heavily ten years ago in debates about the merits of the internet / the web when compared to how things were done before the advent of those technologies.

p. 392 in the Dreyfus quote: 'If our body goes, so does relevance, skill, reality, and meaning.' It made me want to shout at Dreyfus: But the body does not go at all! I don't recognize this whole idea about disembodiedness. For the past five years the technology enabled me to stay in touch with my 400 kilometers away family, to do job interviews with people across the ocean, and I could give more examples. It just adds to the options we have of interacting with people. What does it add when it comes to education?

 

 

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  1. There’s no substantial difference, to me, between the 2001 and 2009 version of Dreyfus, so no worries there.  (I find the e-books very obstacle ridden to read!)

    Good point on Dreyfus’s ‘trick’.  It’s a straw man. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

    Kudos also on bringing in other arguments to support the ‘technology as enhancement’ argument.

    >Throughout the text Dreyfus maintains the premise that distance learning can only 'pass on information'. Which is an extremely limited view.<

    I agree.  But why?

    For the 7 stages, I think one of the issues is how Dreyfus views skills (is that the only product of learning?) and how he assumes skills are learned in f2f education.

    I’m curious as to why you think Stage 7 could also be stage 0.  (I have some idea why, but I’d just like you to tease it out a bit more.)

    Good point re emotions and embodiment.  I wonder if it might be useful to think of how emotions are tied to social practices to and what that might imply for the issues of embodiment and risk as Dreyfus sees it.  I think you are doing this in some of your notes on pages 37-39, for instance, and with your kite anecdote, but it might be worth drawing these together more.

    >p. 43 about learning by watching reminded me of John Seely Brown's et. al. latest book The Power of Pull….<

    Fascinating, thanks. It reminds me also of Terry Mayes work on vicarious learning.

    >p. 44 about teaching assistants picking up their teacher's style: I question that.<

    Why?

    >p. 46 When it introduces practical wisdom it reminded me of Prensky's digital wisdom.<

    In what ways?

    >And later in the discussion of that stage it occurred to me that online communities develop a culture of their own, however disembodied that culture might be.<

    Good point – this might tie back to the social practices angle.

    >My own take is that this whole talk about embodiedness is just not very helpful to understand what's going, and what could be going on in online learning / e-learning, the same feeling I had about the whole net generation discussion in the week before.<

    To me, it raises new questions about what it means to be human and what it means to be digital.  I think it brings a different perspective and by problematising these ideas we are forced to consider our own assumptions and the implications of them.  Plus, it’s a key issue (like the natives one) that appears in the discourse about elearning, so it’s worth being able to tackle it.

    >Where and how can these technologies be used to support particular educational purposes, and where can they not be?' Pretty much sums up my expectation for the MScEL program.<

    Fair enough.    I’d add a ‘why’ in there to go along with Burbules’ ‘how’ and ‘where’.
     
    Lots of interesting thoughts in this post, Hans, thanks.  It might be useful to move from the notes-style to trying to write posts on particular themes or concepts, drawing together the readings. E.g. making your own argument about embodiment and risk, drawing on the readings to support or counter your claims.

    Cheerio

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It's embodiedness plus, week 3, secondary readings

My take on the secondary readings for week 3.

Blake, N. (2002) 'Hubert Dreyfus on Distance Education: relays of educational embodiment', Educational Philosophy and Theory, Vol. 34, No. 4

His description of how he sets up an online course on p. 381 makes all the more sense now that I have seen it in action at this IDEL course.

My main takeaway from this article is the following quote:

'Even insofar as the electronic message is literally disembodied, its content no less than its form must draw on the writer’s embodied experience of other embodied persons, at least in terms of generalisations and often with regard to specific occasions; and the success of the communication will partly depend on the quality of this experience and the skill with which the writer draws on it.' (p. 383)

This, for me, explains my whole uneasyness with the concept of (dis)embodiedness I had with the core readings. In online interactions I cannot think away my body or (even?) the body of the person(s) I am interacting with.


Dall'Alba, G. and Barnacle, R. (2005) Embodied knowing in online environments, Educational Philosophy and Theory, vol 37(5), pp.719-744

I found the first part of the article, up till page 727 hard to digest, I am still not sure what the authors exactly mean by the notion of 'embodied knowing'. It echoes things like tacit knowledge, learning-to-be, but that is as far as I get.

In the middle part of the article there are some great observations:

p. 727 "For example, Marion Coomey and John Stephenson (2001) reviewed 100 research reports and journal articles published between 1998 and 2000 on web-based online learning. They identified four features of online learning essential to good practice, as follows: incorporation of dialogue; active involvement of learners with learning materials or activities; provision of support; and enabling learners to take appropriate control over their learning. These conditions for promoting learning are similar to those identified in much recent literature on learning in environments that are not online (e.g. Brockbank & McGill, 1998; Brown & Glasner, 1999; Ramsden, 2003; Walker, 2001), as Coomey and Stephenson acknowledge.

p. 727 "For instance, Geraldine Torrisi-Steele (2002) argues that a desired approach to integrating ICTs ‘does not
focus primarily on technology but instead directs focus on learner needs, discipline requirements, learning outcomes and reflection on teaching practices’."

p. 728 "In a review of studies about online learning, Barry Jackson and Kyriaki Anagnostopoulou point out that ‘where effectiveness is demonstrated, it can often be attributed to a pedagogical improvement rather than to the use of the technology itself ’ (2001, p. 61)."

p. 729 "‘The potential for rich learning experiences online is mostly exploited by teachers whose conceptions of learning and teaching predispose them to consider deeply and continuously the needs of the learners in
any situation, regardless of technology’ (2001, p. 61)."

p. 729 "(Laurrilard) argues that ‘design has to be generated from the learning objectives and the aspirations of the course, rather than from the capabilities of the technology’ (2002a, p. 22)."

p. 730 "Alexander and Boud (2001) argue that the current higher education context and usage of ICTs do, indeed, primarily extend rather than transform conventional pedagogies." BTW, WebCT is a prime example of this.

All these remarks also correspond with some of the observations we made in discussing the net generation. The focus needs to be on engaging pedagogy and how ICTs can help there.

Than, in the final section the article goes real bad when they online the 'opportunities being offered through the use of ICTs' (p. 735). A lot of conjectures here.

I like the conclusion: "Instead, the issue is recognition and design: recognising the nature of humantechnology
relations in the design of learning activities and models." (p. 740)


Clark, A. (2003) Natural born cyborgs: minds, technologies and the future of human intelligence, Oxford: OUP chapter 1, 'Cyborgs unplugged', pp.13-34

A very refreshing read!

(p. 26) "In each case, the real problem-solving engine was the larger, biotechnological matrix compirising (in the case at hand) the brain, the stacked papers, the previous marginalia, the electronic files, the operations of search provided by the Mac software, and so on, and so on. What the human brain is best at is learning to be a team player in a problem-solving field populated by an incredible variety of nonbiological props, scaffoldings, instruments and resources."

And p. 27, "My goal is to dispel this illusion, and to show how a complex matrix of brain, body and technology can actuallt constitute the problem-solving machine that we should properly identify as ourselves." p. 31 humans as "natural-born cyborgs".

It is no longer about disembodiedness, rather it is about embodiedness-plus.

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  1. > In online interactions I cannot think away my body or (even?) the body of the person(s) I am interacting with.<

    Yes, I agree with this.  I think also there is an argument for how our bodies are fundamental to the way we have developed and been shaped aspects of our self(s) which will infuse our ways of engaging online. e.g. gender

    Have you thought about the way these ideas about embodiment might have implications for the conceptualization of self?  If not, worth returning to after the week 5 core readings, perhaps.

    > I am still not sure what the authors exactly mean by the notion of 'embodied knowing'. It echoes things like tacit knowledge, learning-to-be, but that is as far as I get.<

    I think that it is partly that, but it’s also an epistemological stance.  It’s saying the only way we can construct knowledge is *through* the body, it is the way in which we experience, and thus have knowledge about, the world.  I found this bit quite useful:

    “The account of embodiment merely glimpsed here through Merleau-Ponty and Capra re-situates the human subject as an inextricable part of the world rather than a detached observer, reflecting on the world from ‘outside’, as it were. Tantalizingly, it appears that rather than being understood strictly as properties of either the mind or the body, intelligence and physical extension have the potential to be understood as qualities that are shared in an integration of mind and body. ... Most clearly, the situatedness, or context, of the knower not only becomes a factor that cannot be dismissed or ignored in knowledge claims, but becomes the condition for knowing per se. Objectivity, in any absolute sense, becomes untenable.” D’a;;ba and Barnacle, 2005: 725)

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OMG, trying to recreate a twitter flow

I was away on vacation and without internet, so read the discussion board and tried to read the twitter stream only today.

Discussion board mainly about the use of twitter. At times it felt like a discussion between converts and non-converts, in group and out group, worlds apart.

So, on to http://twapperkeeper.com/hashtag/mscidel. Unfortunately, I can only see the 10 latest, and an export I can't seem to manage either. It's probably my stupidity, but if a tool is not really obvious I give up real quickly.

So, on to http://search.twitter.com/search?q=mscidel as an alternative. What do we get?

  • Frequent time outs trying to wade my way towards 7 days ago, I would have liked to make it to 8 days ago, but that was not possible, so already stuff is vanishing.
  • Some people use twitter names that don''t relate to their real names, yes, I can look them up on the who we are where we are page, but that's a hassle. Talk about 'embodiedness' ;-)
  • Okay, from 7 days ago, I started wading forward, just to give up after going through one day of tweets. Why?
  • A lot of solo tweets, that is: not part of a conversation. People quoting some line from some article. 140 characters is just not enough to get some context here.
  • Hey, some conversations are going on that can be expanded in Twitter search. Lots of them are short, lots of retweets, I don't get the feeling that there's much discussion really going on.

There might be some worthwhile information there, but to distill it afterwards is simply to time consuming. Maybe the experience is / gets better when you're in the middle of the flow.

It also reminds me of the discussion we had in week 1 about a false sense of linearity. Here I can't find an angle to make it work for me, to have it make much sense to me. Or it could make sense, but like I said, it would simply be too much hassle for me.

Up until now I find Twitter useful to relay information that might be interesting (have done a few times with the #mscel hashtag); when at a conference and people add information (other than retweeting the slides), or being used as a backchannel. I still don't like the tool very much.

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  1. On twapper keeper there is a drop down bar with a choice to ‘view limit’ which you can change to 100, 10,000 etc.

    >Some people use twitter names that don''t relate to their real names, yes, I can look them up on the who we are where we are page, but that's a hassle. Talk about 'embodiedness' ;-) <

    :)  Though a few folk use the same sort of account name across different spaces (e.g. twitter, SL), so it could open up interesting questions about identity.

    >There might be some worthwhile information there, but to distill it afterwards is simply to time consuming. Maybe the experience is / gets better when you're in the middle of the flow.<

    Interestingly, I’ve had folk both argue for and against the ‘retrospective twittorial’.  Some, like you found it especially hard to follow, others found it a worthwhile detective experience, a puzzle to piece together that gave them further impetus for learning.

    >…false sense of linearity. Here I can't find an angle to make it work for me, to have it make much sense to me. Or it could make sense, but like I said, it would simply be too much hassle for me.<

    I wonder if this is also because time is different for each member of the discussion.  For instance, in Skype we are all on simultaneously and know that’s basically how each other is experiencing it (albeit with a bit of lag).  On the db, we know people are unlikely to beon at the exact same time as us and that they may read things in different order.  On Twitter, we might be online at the same time as some, and because of the unthreaded nature, cannot guess at how others might enter the stream when they do come online.  So perhaps this makes for an even more temporally strange experience?

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Wrapping up week 3

 


>>Throughout the text Dreyfus maintains the premise that distance learning can only 'pass on information'. Which is an extremely limited view.<<
>I agree.  But why?<

I think my whole point here started with the observation that Dreyfus opposes f2f and distance learning, where as, from a more pragmatic point of view, the difference is only gradual. In a sense, f2f learning has always had a distance component, simply when it comes to doing your homework for a course. When I read a text, that text is not 'passed on as information', I am trying to make sense of that text, trying to connect it with things I already know, and finding new points of view. In other words, there is not only 'information passing on', there is also 'information processing' going on. In fact, the whole idea of information passing on could be seen as a deliberate disembodiment of a student, where the student is seen as a vessel into which information is being poured. Which is obviously wrong.

>For the 7 stages, I think one of the issues is how Dreyfus views skills (is that the only product of learning?) and how he assumes skills are learned in f2f education.<

I am not sure what your trying to get at with your question. I simply wondered why nobody questioned the 7 stage model itself.

>I’m curious as to why you think Stage 7 could also be stage 0.  (I have some idea why, but I’d just like you to tease it out a bit more.)<

All of a sudden there is no more 'progression' in the model. Even the examples about how culture is transmitted by how different cultures care for their babies shows this. In the end, I think it is more a stage in the argument that Dreyfus has been developing. Like: these are the things that you could never learn in a distance course. And of course he's right, but he only is drawing out a rabbit he put in his hat himself.

>Good point re emotions and embodiment.  I wonder if it might be useful to think of how emotions are tied to social practices to and what that might imply for the issues of embodiment and risk as Dreyfus sees it.  I think you are doing this in some of your notes on pages 37-39, for instance, and with your kite anecdote, but it might be worth drawing these together more.<

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here. My simple point of view is that body / mind, ratio / emotion, social / individual distinctions are only helpful to a certain extent. In the end, you and I are all of those things at the same time.

>>p. 44 about teaching assistants picking up their teacher's style: I question that.<<

>Why?<

Based on my own experience teaching economics for 5 years. If you try to imitate a style, your students will pick that up as not authentic at once. You need to develop your own style with which you are comfortable and only then can you connect with your students. (Teaching bodies could be a whole subject of its own.)

>It might be useful to move from the notes-style to trying to write posts on particular themes or concepts, drawing together the readings. E.g. making your own argument about embodiment and risk, drawing on the readings to support or counter your claims.<

I am not there yet. I see myself as being in a dialog with the readings for the moment. That might change as soon as I get some more perspective on the course as a whole.


>> I am still not sure what the authors exactly mean by the notion of 'embodied knowing'. It echoes things like tacit knowledge, learning-to-be, but that is as far as I get.<<

>I think that it is partly that, but it’s also an epistemological stance.  It’s saying the only way we can construct knowledge is *through* the body, it is the way in which we experience, and thus have knowledge about, the world.<

I think I was hinting at that when I said that mind / body distinctions &c. are only helpful to a certain extent.

And finally regarding Twitter:

>>There might be some worthwhile information there, but to distill it afterwards is simply to time consuming. Maybe the experience is / gets better when you're in the middle of the flow.<<

>Interestingly, I’ve had folk both argue for and against the ‘retrospective twittorial’.  Some, like you found it especially hard to follow, others found it a worthwhile detective experience, a puzzle to piece together that gave them further impetus for learning.<

I can imagine that some people like detective work. But I am more of a pragmatist, technology should help us achieving our goals more efficiently, if it gets in your way, than don't use it. I think I made a point a while ago that I gave up looking television years ago because the signal noise ratio was near to zero. I have a similar feeling here.

Again, I can see some scenarios where Twitter could work in teaching and learning.

>>…false sense of linearity. Here I can't find an angle to make it work for me, to have it make much sense to me. Or it could make sense, but like I said, it would simply be too much hassle for me.<<

>I wonder if this is also because time is different for each member of the discussion.  For instance, in Skype we are all on simultaneously and know that’s basically how each other is experiencing it (albeit with a bit of lag).  On the db, we know people are unlikely to beon at the exact same time as us and that they may read things in different order.  On Twitter, we might be online at the same time as some, and because of the unthreaded nature, cannot guess at how others might enter the stream when they do come online.  So perhaps this makes for an even more temporally strange experience?<

I don't think the experience is 'temporally strange', it's just another medium, and a medium which I think works best when you're in the middle of it, reconstructing it afterwards is too much work - although I could imagine you could write a script to condense such a stream so as to make it more readable (f.i. drop all the retweets but count them and put the number in front of the original tweet, do some tag cloud like things.)

Finally: I had the impression you were interested in the Power of Pull. I have added a file with my notes on that book to this blog post, but cannot discover how I can link to it from within this post.

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  1. Hi Hans

    Great responses, thanks very much.  For the issue of skills, I was trying to point towards the idea of what knowledge or expertise may be.  For me, Dreyfus’s conception seems a bit too centred on a skills-based, vocational education sort of understanding and less on meaning making.

    Re stage 0/7 – good point.  For me, there was something also in the idea that you might advance far enough in the field to tackle what is unknown in a way that challenges the nature of the field itself.  Akin to Kuhn’s idea of anomalies and paradigm shifts in science (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradigm_shift ).

    On embodiment, emotion  and risk– I’d think there’s more than an unhelpfulness of distinctions here.  I think it’s that these things play a part in determining who we are and how we experience any social situation, be it on or offline.  Self, I’d argue, is embodied.  It is perceived and engaged with in specific ways, through specific social practices tied to specific situations,  It is contingent.  It is socially constructed.  So to engage in any social practice is in some way an embodied experience – it is lived through the body, through the way our embodiment has been shaped and shaped us – and it is therefore risky.  [I hope that makes sense, but I am chock full of flu drugs at the moment, so I admit, it might not!  :) ]

    On readings and moving beyond the note style – fair enough, but keep in mind synthesis as the goal to aim for in due time.

    On linking – you need to find the url for file and add that to your post (e.g. http://holyroodpark.net/jhmroes/files/-1/1085/2010+Hagel+Brown+ ) but you also have to set the privacy restrictions to the same as for your posts. So at the moment I can’t access it.

    Cheers

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Blog post: 18 October 2010


Week 4 - Lost

I am reposting a message I posted to the discussion board on October 13, since I feel it went largely unnoticed while I was trying to make a fundamental point. 
What is the learning goal for this week and how does it fit in the bigger picture of the course?

Yesterday night I attended the SL orientation. It was about getting used to SL but much time got lost in stupid technical details due to the fact that we have people on Macs and PCs with either Viewer 1 or 2 (4 different worlds already). I would never recommend such a tool to practitioning teachers. But for the sake of the course, I will of course play along, and hey, I am generally curious as well.

But, on a more fundamental level, there are two other issues that worry me.

The first core article, Warburton, is mostly technical, but only very, very briefly mentions a set of categories of current educational activities of SL (p. 421) without going any deeper into any of these.

The second core reading, Boellstorff, weaves together lots and lots of micro narratives. Not sure what too make of it other than that SL means a lot of different things to different people (just as RL), but I can see really no reference to e-learning at all here (other than maybe the frequent use of the term embodiment echoing last week, but now we also have 'virtual embodiment' to add to the confusion).

See? I'm lost, and have no sense of direction this week.

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  1. Hi Hans

    Thanks for letting me know you’re feeling lost.

    To me, the goals for this two-week section are to consider what it means to ‘be’ online, to have a specific identity, how you might create and experience that, what it means to be and experience virtual worlds and how that relates to learning in immersive environments. 

    This course is about exploring different digital environment and considering the opportunities and challenges they might present for learning. SL is a particularly challenging environment to step into – a tad harder to get to grips with than Skype or Twitter – so we allow more time for students to orient themselves and learn to navigate the world. That process in itself and then the experience of learning in SL are both intended to stimulate thought about what that might mean for learners.  We also think this is a chance to think a bit wider about identity – a key issue in exploring digital environments, and worthy of a wide ranging thought for learning also.

    You could take this beyond the SL avatar idea to thinking about what it means to select particular representations of yourself on this blog, twitter, how you perform a particular identity, how you see self etc and how that all might relate to learning.

    The Boellstorff reading gives an excellent introduction to SL generally and points to interesting issues around identity and social practices that you can then draw on when thinking about learning in immersive environments.  The Warburton article gives a useful overview of immersive worlds a bit more generally and points to ways it can be used for educational activities.  Fi’s put up a links on the db for educational uses of SL, one that comes to my mind is https://www.wiki.ed.ac.uk/display/VueWiki/Resources

    I hope that helps – if not, let me know!
    
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week 4 - body confusion goes on

After reading Yee's (2008) The Unbearable Likeness of Being, a couple of thoughts occurred to me.

One is that I wonder whether this whole fuss about bodies might have to do with our conception of what virtual reality is (or could be). Yee's article starts with a quote from Barlow ('Suddenly I don't have a body anymore ...') If this was a virtual reality thing with like video helmet and data gloves (the movie Tron comes to mind, or, even more extreme, The Matrix trilogy), than, yes, I could follow that people feel disembodied in a virtual world. To describe Second Life as a virtual world in this sense is ridiculous, because you are very aware of yourself sitting behind a screen looking at the back of the head of your avatar, looking at other avatars. Hell, not even the experience is 3D, it's an utterly flat world and you really need to stretch your phantasy to imagine it as being 3D. Somehow this echoes with Yee's observation that in a textual multiuser online game his embodiment was 'salient in a way I'd never experienced in either physical reality or graphical worlds.'

Yee has two other observations that ring a bell with me.

The first one is that 'Games are all about slowing you down ...' This was the experience I had in the two Second Life sessions we had last week. The second session where we discussed, or rather should discuss, the literature made this awfully clear. The tutor was hardly around, spending her time picking up lost avatars probably. The discussion was a chat, much like the Skype chat we had two weeks earlier, with second Life functionng effectively as a wall paper to that chat. It, the chat, took well over an hour, if you reread it, it takes you about 5 minutes. What an inefficient way of achieving things.

What really hit me is Yee's following remark: 'If you were using a virtual world for work, why on earth would you want people to walk places, open virtual file drawers, be blocked by virtual walls, or have to figure out what to put on in the morning?' Exactly. Our thinking about how we have always done things offline influences pretty heavily the way we do things online, and as a consequence, we are many times disappointed in what technology has to offer.

 

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  1. Aloha Hans

    Hm, you might find the idea of embodiment or SL being a world ridiculous, but I think you can pick up from the Boellstorff reading, for example, that others do not.  So maybe the question is why are you experiencing it one way and those SL residents experiencing it another?  I’d argue that it’s to do with how comfortable you are in the environment.  You’ve taken a few steps into the world, but that’s not that same as having become practiced at it.  Where would you say you are on Dreyfus’s scale for instance in terms of SL skills?  :)  I wonder if you have yet had the feeling of flow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_%28psychology%29 ) that you may perhaps have had in other online environments?

    So that you have not yet felt that way has interesting implications for learning in immersive environments.  E.g. around different learners not having that immersive experience (maybe even regardless of practice because it might be an attitudinal stance that you, as their teacher, can’t shift), about the experience therefore not being either authentic or useful enough for the learning, around the way tech can support or disrupt immersiveness etc

    I get what you are saying about inefficiency – it is always that way for the first time in a new environment with lots of beginners finding their feet.  Another thing worth remembering for when designing online learning.  I have found both SL and Skype chat very effective and useful in later courses, once students are more au fait with things.

    Go along to one of the tutorials this week and see whether there is a difference.

    Cheerio
    
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    Clara O'Shea on Wednesday, 20 October 2010, 18:05 UTC

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week 4 - final thoughts

I had already mentioned that I did not find the core readings for this week very helpful. The Warburton article too technical and only in passing mentioning some uses of SL for learning. The Boellstorff chapter not even mentioning the word learning (and not even learn, for that matter).

So, I was hoping for something better when I started reading the Dickey article. One thing that struck me was that the article is from 2003 and not about Second Life. But then again, the way Active Worlds is described shows very much similarity with SL.

The distinction being made between discourse tools, experiential tools and resource tools seems useful to me.

The analysis of the affordances and constraints of Active Worlds is something that for 90 percent also carries over to SL. It makes you wonder just how little progress there has been in this area in the last 10 or 11 years, Dickey somewhere (ah yeah, p. 109) mentions that her data are from 1998 / 1999.

So, where does this leave us all?

1. I am still not over the feeling of being lost. I know how to move around in SL, how to get to the meetings in time, how to chat there and, hey, even to save a chat in a notecard and drop it on Pancha. Where I am lost is that I don't see how this week fits into the overall idea of the IDEL course.

2. I had intended to do a search for some more recent literature on the educational uses of SL, but haven't found the time. It's hard enough already to catch up after the lost week and in the final weeks of my employment of Jacobs. I also would have liked to explore some SL educational sites. Frank had a reference somewhere in the discussion boards, but again, not found the time to get around that.

I'll be having a day off on Wednesday so I can do the week 5 reading, and be on track again.

 

 

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  1. Hopefully I’ve addressed the lost issue in my other comment, but do say if you need more from me on this.  Likewise with the readings.  The key here would be to use them to stimulate your own thinking about learning and immersive worlds, not to rely on them to give you what you need, but to provoke you to think further.

    If you’d like more reading on SL or immersive worlds more generally, pop a note on the db for Fiona and Marshall and ask them to suggest some readings.  They know the literature here more than I do.  Indeed, ask Fi for her recent book chapter on SL and role play.

    Cheerio
    
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Blog post: 22 October 2010


week 4 and 5 - why I am not happy

Well, there's actually one thing that I am happy about regarding week 4 and 5 and that was to see librarians actively involved in the learning environment. Something I argued for already 9 years ago (Roes, Hans (2001), Digital libraries and education: trends and opportunities, D-Lib Magazine, July / August, http://www.dlib.org/dlib/july01/roes/07roes.html).

On to the reasons why I am not happy.

1. I already commented on the Boellstorff chapter. Many stories in there about how people experience SL, but in how far is it relevant to the subject of the course? I asked for perspective, but did not get a real answer. In week 5 we get a very similar text from Taylor, this one from 2002 about a virtual world even crappier than SL. Again, stories about how people experience this world, again etnography.

My point is that you can learn something from these texts, but what you learn is how people experience these 'worlds' as a gaming annex social environment, in both texts there is absolutely nothing about how these 'worlds' would be experienced as learning environment. In both texts the word 'learning' is almost absent.

Also, both texts are ethnographies about people that immerse themselves deeply in such worlds. My question would be how deeply people - students, and teachers - would need to immerse themselves in such 'worlds' before they become adequate environments for teaching and learning? I am not sure, but see the next point.

2. In week 4 and 5 I attended 4 meetings in SL. Yes, I can see some progression in how the tool is being used in discussions. The discussion I attended last night was much more focussed than the one last week. On the other hand, we had only 5 participants last night, including the tutor (Pancha / Marshall, hey hey, a librarian!). Also unlike the discussion last week, Pancha was now present all the time and was actively steering the discussion. So I wonder what caused the progression, the fact that the students were more experienced, or the facts that the group was smaller and actively being led. I guess the latter factors are more important. And an important takeaway for me: I suspect 5 to 6 participants is about the max a group chat can have. (From my teaching days I remember research into the optimal / maximal sice of working groups, I'd suspect that there is research as well in this area.)

And of course, like I said last week, the meeting is still basically a group chat. Yesterday night I discovered that for the most time I just concentrated on the chat, and when I looked at the screen, I was mostly looking at the avs' names rather than at the avs themselves.

Okay, maybe it is just my lack of imagination. In this regard I'd also like to respond to a remark by Clara last week about whether or not I was experiencing 'flow'. A concept I always liked (although I wished that the guy who came up with it had an easier to spell name ;-), and also a concept I have tried to apply in my management positions: challenge people beyond their abilities, but not too much beyond. Incidentally, the Gee text also describes flow, second paragraph on p. 70, without any reference, but than there are no references in the Gee text at all. Back to 'flow' for me in SL. The simple fact is that I don't feel challenged by SL, let alone intimidated, as I have the impression some of my fellow students are. Again, it maybe my lack of imagination, but it's something I can't help.

Now, of course it is important for me to know how people might experience a 'world' like SL, and in a sense I can really follow all these stories in the Boellstorff and Taylor texts. But again, I am dearly missing the link to the relevance of all these stories for learning.

And, more importantly, I think Clara remarked a few weeks ago that technologies in a sense can also hinder learning. Now, I don't think SL is an obstacle there, but chat is a tool that at least for me is not really suited for a good discussion. It forces one to use short sentences, and slows my thinking down to the speed at which I can type. Maybe it's my background as an economist, but I can't help finding it a most inefficient way of communicating. The Yee text for me confirms this: games are all about slowing you down.

3. Learning then. Here we have three texts that at least have the words learning in their titles. Warburton, Dickey, and Gee. The first disappointment here is that Gee and Dickey are from 2002 and 2003 respectively. It made me want to shout at the librarians involved here: surely you could come up with more up to date texts here?

I will not repeat what I said about the Warburton and Dickey texts last week. I had another look at the Dickey text and although her analysis in terms of affordances and constraints is worthwhile, the example she uses - Intro to RWX Modeling - is in the end not a professional example. At the time she researched her article one would probably not find such a professional example, but that only reinforces my point that a more up to date text would have been very helpful.

4. Which brings me finally to the Gee text. Gee (that's a pun, yes), I thought, so now we have a linguistics professor that seems to be developing his own learning theory based on his individual experiences with a particular computer game. And gee, not a single reference in that text except for a short bibliographic note at the end that mentions some research into learning. Already on the second page (52) he puts me completely off with the remark 'your character - that is you'. No, you are playing your character, there's a fundamental difference there. And there is this strange second paragraph on p. 57: "One sort of limitation video games certainly bring up to real-world baby-boomers like me is that they do not reward - in fact they punish - some of my most cherished ways of learning and thinking (e.g. being too quick to want to get to a goal without engaging in sufficient prior nonlinear exploration)." Now, I recognize what Yee said about games slowing you down, and, being a baby boomer myself, I can see his point of too quickly wanting to reach a goal, but too quickly wanting to get to a goal is _not_ a way of learning, but hey, I am not a linguist, and English is not my first language, so who knows.

On p. 58 and 59 we find paragraphs beginning with "It is not uncommon ...", and "It has been argued ...". Citation needed, I thought, Wikipedia style.

On p. 61/62 we get to what seems to be the core of Gee's learning theory: entice to try, put in lots of effort, achieve meaningful success. Seems plausible to me, but my theoretical background in pedagogy is just not good enough to judge the validity of this. I really would like to have seen some discussion here (I might start one today, I am not that active on the discussion boards). Also, an interesting question would have been, assuming there is some validity to his learning theory, how Gee's principles might apply to the design of e-learning.

So there you have it, the reasons for my unhappiness. And yes, maybe I do want to get too quickly to my goals ;-).

 

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  1. Hi Hans

    I don’t think I would necessarily see SL as a ‘gaming world’ but more as an alternate, virtual world.  I wonder - are you making an assumption that gaming and learning worlds are different?  Are they?  If we are thinking about learning as collaborative, and thus relying on the social, aren’t there lessons from the one that could be applicable to the other?

    As for immersion – is it worth contrasting this with the idea of authentic learning?  It might also be useful to think about how immersion in specific social practices might relate to learning as immersion in particularly communities (a la http://www.infed.org/biblio/communities_of_practice.htm ).

    > And of course, like I said last week, the meeting is still basically a group chat.<

    I can see this might be the case.  Could it be experienced differently by others though?  Do you think that would change with further experience in SL?

    > The simple fact is that I don't feel challenged by SL, let alone intimidated, as I have the impression some of my fellow students are.<

    Have you gone out and sought some challenges in SL? i.e. gone and explored and got involved?

    For me, that sense of flow has usually come from being in conversation in SL – in a tutorial on just in conversation with residents I have been hanging out with.

    > Now, I don't think SL is an obstacle there, but chat is a tool that at least for me is not really suited for a good discussion.<

    I can see that.  Like Skype it is good for particular sorts of communication, and not for others.  That’s why it’s handy to have something like the discussion board and blog running alongside these more chatty environments.

    On learning – Gee, in particular, is seminal.  I am more than happy to have an oldie but a goodie in the reading list.  :)  You make a fair point about references – there’s a few pages of references in the back of the book, but yes, this is Gee’s theory based on a very specific sort of evidence.

    > Also, an interesting question would have been, assuming there is some validity to his learning theory, how Gee's principles might apply to the design of e-learning.<

    And that, I think, is what you could really do with this reading – and the ones on virtual worlds.  :)
     
    Cheerio

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Role Reversal: Clara blogging

Hi Hans

As promised, I want to give you some mid-way feedback on how I think the blog is shaping up in terms of the final assessment. Basically, things are going reasonably well for this stage of the process.  The criteria for assessment are:

* Reflection – you are posting thoughtfully, linking the course materials to your experience and professional practice where possible.  As we’ve discussed, I think there’s more opportunity for you to develop this as a sustained reflection, drawing together different readings and concepts as you move through the course. 

* Regularity – you are posting regularly and substantially.

* Knowledge and understanding - You’re demonstrating a sound understanding of the technologies and ideas introduced. Again, as we’ve discussed, I’d encourage you to keep developing towards a more synthesised, coherent framework.  You might find it useful to look over the way ‘knowledge and understanding’ aspects of the postgraduate common marking scheme criteria are described on pages 25-27 of the Programme Handbook.

* Communication style and multimodality – the weblog has a clear sense of ‘voice’.  The ideas discussed are often well argued, though there are times when I think you could tease out further what you mean (which I’ve generally flagged in my comments).  I’d encourage you to play a little bit with blog in terms of image, media and linkage.

So, in summary, I think things are going generally well with some opportunities to develop your blog further as a critical reflective piece.

Please let me know whether this is any use to you – I’m more than happy to chat through the blog process.  Also, I would like to develop my own practice further, so I’d appreciate your mid-blog feedback too!  Are my comments useful?  What could I do to be supporting your blogging more?

Cheers

C.

p.s. if you would like to paste this review into your blog as an artefact of some sort, you’re most welcome. 

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  1. (Copy from a mail sent to Clara on October 22.) 

    Dear Clara,

    Thanks for the positive review - it was timely since I was considering quitting. Which is quite ironic since one of the ideas I have for a thesis project would be to investigate opportunities of e-learning in preventing drop-out and maybe getting drop-outs back on board. Your positive feedback kept me on board.

    Some of the reasons behind thinking about quitting can be found in a recent blog post. Yes, you can read that as criticism of the course, but I think it's constructive criticism.

    I have also posted your review as a blog post. I would very much like to do a Skype video call sometime next week to discuss the review, please  let me know if that is okay with you.

    Please find attached my notes / abstract of The Power of Pull (I don't have the time to find out about attachments in the blog). You should recognize the style, maybe a bit amplified ;-). Anyway, enough for you to decide whether you'd like to struggle through the book yourself.

    Okay, I am off to the Netherlands for the weekend.

    Have a nice weekend,

    Hans

     

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week 4 an 5 again: I was really criticizing the IDEL design

One more anecdote before I make my point.

I have a sister who works as a teacher in primary education (4 - 12 yo). I have a daughter who works in secondary education (12 - 18 yo). I have spent the past 35 years of my life in universities, as a student, as a teacher, as a student counselor, as a librarian, and now as a student again. If there is one thing I've learned, it is how deeply conservative all these three teaching / learning environments are, and maybe for a good reason, but that's not the point I am / was trying to make here.

>I don’t think I would necessarily see SL as a ‘gaming world’ but more as an alternate, virtual world.  I wonder - are you making an assumption that gaming and learning worlds are different?  Are they?  If we are thinking about learning as collaborative, and thus relying on the social, aren’t there lessons from the one that could be applicable to the other?<

Maybe. Maybe. Yes.

But anyway, I was not making that assumption, I was wondering why the texts we got, notably Boellstorff and Taylor, only dealt with how people experience online worlds as a gaming / interaction platform, and not at all with what I would expect from an introductory course in e-learning, that is, what the relevance of these worlds for learning is in the conservative environments that I know. I also have the impression that SL is quite beyond its peak use, I hardly ever see it mentioned anymore in the past two years in the 50+ blogs that I follow, just to keep up with trends in 'net culture and higher education. As with the net generation theme, I wonder whether the IDEL course is running behind on what's happening on the 'net at large, and maybe not connecting enough to the world of practitioning teachers.

I also observed that much of the literature was quite old and, because the texts deal with internet phenomena, most probably outdated. It made me wonder when this part of the course was renewed for the last time. Please challenge that assumption ;-).

>As for immersion – is it worth contrasting this with the idea of authentic learning?  It might also be useful to think about how immersion in specific social practices might relate to learning as immersion in particularly communities (a la http://www.infed.org/biblio/communities_of_practice.htm ).<

You're missing the point I was trying to make. Before you can make SL work as a tool in the practical learning environments that I know, teachers and students would need to immerse themselves in SL as a tool for quite some hours before they can actually see how it could help them achieve their educational goals. Not to mention the support disaster with SL viewers not running on outdated hardware or for whatever stupid reason, I've seen enough of that, even with the tech savvy students in this course in the past two weeks (praise to Fiona who was, I think, responsible for handling that shit). I have no problem with the IDEL educational goal of getting students acquainted with the many possibilities, including SL.

I will dig deeper into this point in week 6, when it comes to the actual use that is being made in universities of LMSs or VLEs. Most is simple file upload of presentation slides. And now we see an enormous growth in canned video lectures being uploaded to these systems and to iTunesU (for marketing purposes, maybe?). Wow, really innovative.

Addendum, added October 27, 2010

Just came across this very interesting review study of educational uses of SL:

Hew, K.F. & Cheung, W.S. (2010). Use of three-dimensional (3-D) immersive virtual worldsin K-12 and higher education settings. A review of the research. British Journal of Educational Technology 41(1), 33–55

Worth a read. A literature search yielded 470 articles, only 15 of them where about empirical research into the use and effects of SL on teaching and learning. The single most prevalent research method was descriptive, only one study had an experimental setup using control groups. This final study failed to show a significant difference between three test groups in terms of test scores.

Other results mainly confirm the upsides and downsides already noted. Conclusion: we know next to nothing about the usefulness of SL for learning.

 

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  1. Hi Hans

    I think on the readings front we are going to have to agree to disagree. :) As I’ve said before, I don’t have an issue with the date stamp on readings if the readings are seminal and conceptually interesting. Likewise with readings like Boellstorff and Taylor, I am happy to draw on readings that help understand the environment  we are exploring in more depth and stimulate thinking around key issues that relate to that environment and learning. (And, yes, of course, we revise our readings!)

    >Before you can make SL work as a tool in the practical learning environments that I know, teachers and students would need to immerse themselves in SL as a tool for quite some hours before they can actually see how it could help them achieve their educational goals.<

    Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying that.

    Cheers

    C.

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Blog post: 27 October 2010


week 6 : complaints about readings again and a view on my PLE

I started of reading the Bayne (2004) and Cousin (2006) texts. I am getting the feeling that Bayne's perspective is (at least for me) way too much dominated by her cultural studies background, at least in the two publications in the course I have read so far. Yes, I am putting myself at risk here in this online environment, I just transferred the (substantial) course fee (from my own account, no employer to pay for me) and I very well know that Bayne is the program director. I understand the importance of philosophy well enough to know its limits when it comes to guidance in the practices that I am familiar with.

One quote from the Bayne article I'd like to comment on: 'Yet it is rather hard to see where the virtual shanty-town might emerge among the regulated avenues of the 'e-learning system'.' (p. 314) They are here now, the shanty-towns, they're called social networks. Unfortunately, these social networks are just as much closed environments as many of the 'e-learning systems' like WebCT, or Second Life, all worlds of their own, and I have a hard time connecting them all. (I twittered this week with the mscel hashtag about plugjam, related to this, need to look at it closer.) Below I give a description of my PLE, as I see my attempt at connecting. A solution that works for me and is portable enough.

The Cousin reading read fine in the beginning, much there to recognize. I liked the McLuhan paraphrase on p.119: 'every kind of technology is an extension of our nervous system', echoing the readings of week 3 (Yee (why virtual drawers) and Clark's natural born cyborgs). Wonderful to see also how Tapscott is invoked (p. 120) to support the argument here although we discussed the whole net generation to death in week 2. And then the description of how VLEs enhance and thus confirm existing academic practice (p. 120). I went to Google Books to look up the Cuban quote: 'When teachers adopt technological innovations, these changes typically maintain rather than alter existing class room practices'. (Larry Cuban (2001), Oversold and Underused, p. 71), printed it out and stapled it to the back of p. 123. (Gosh, and I thought I had weened myself of paper over the past year ;-). (Yes, there's lots to tease out here, Clara.;-) I am starting to lose Cousin at the end of that same page. Yes, I think the technology is transformative (or disrupting as we like to say nowadays) but not a glimpse into which direction we would need to look. At the final 'rhizome' discussion I am lost completely.

Which is quite disappointing, since two texts I read earlier this year:

Jon Mott, David Wiley (2009), Open for Learning: The CMS and the Open Learning Network, in education 15(2), http://www.ineducation.ca/article/open-learning-cms-and-open-learning-network (accessed October 27, 2010)

Jonathan Mott (2010), Envisioning the Post-LMS Era: The Open Learning Network, EDUCAUSE Quarterly Magazine 33(1), http://www.educause.edu/EDUCAUSE+Quarterly/EDUCAUSEQuarterlyMagazineVolum/EnvisioningthePostLMSEraTheOpe/199389 (accessed October 27, 2010)

where somewhat of an eyeopener to me when it comes to my growing dissatisfaction with VLEs (or CMSs as Mott calls them). They are used to 'maintain rather than alter existing class room practices', to quote Cuban again. I won't go into detail about these two (overlapping) texts here, but I would really like your view on the first one, since this one also connects - at least in my view - the technological affordances of web 2.0 with educational theory.

On to my PLE. (I'll send you a scan if you'd like on my drawing / scribbling, if you'd like, that shaped this text. Oh  no, did I manage to get it in? Yes, I did! My PLE Scan.pdf )

Before I start: I travel a lot and don't like to haul notebooks around, I have tried netbooks, but their keyboards don't work for me, and anyway in most places that I am there's always a notebook around for me to use. I am a Windows user, so if your favourite's a Mac you might want to bear with me through the beginning, it's short though.

My typical taskbar (open applications at the bottom of the screen) looks like this:

file manager|notepad|Internet Explorer|Google Chrome|Skype|MSN Messenger

Working outward in, the heavy stuff is in the center. Skype and Messenger are basically used as chat tools although I use Skype a lot for (video) calls and file exchange. Messenger is there because I don't want my 78 yo mother to deal with the daunting possibilities of Skype now that she learned only a few years ago to chat with me with Messenger. And I have a brother roaming the world - Malaysia last week, I believe - inspecting fertizilizer plants who prefers Messenger.

File manager gives me access to a folder called My Library. It has over 500 mostly pdf files of articles and books that I have read over the past five years, annotated and highlighted (using Adobe Professional, now switching to PDF Exchange Viewer as this is a free solution). Very poorly organized (flat folder, I try to use a system in file naming, but in the end I can search these files). My main worry here is syncing the shit between the notebook that I happen to be on, the notebook I use most to maintain this library, and the USB stick that I carry around as backup. A cloud solution is near, I believe, I hope.

Notepad is a very, very basic text editor (I am typing this blog post in Notepad). No distractions and it gets nicely rid of any disturbing mark-up.

The heavy stuff is in the middle, both browsers, both accessible anywhere.

Internet Explorer. Outlook Web Exchange on the first tab. Nice crisp interface (much like the Messenger mail or now called Live Mail that I use for private purposes). Nearly 1 GB of mail accessible to me anywhere in the world. But that's my work mail. Second tab: Confluence, my university's intranet / wiki. Boy, I will miss that one. Third tab: browsing. Right now it's on Holyrood Park Hub, and from there to the blogs, WebCT, SMS, Library without hardly an extra login, beautifully done. Fourth tab might be used for Facebook or LinkedIn, my favourite social networks, and of course there's the Google search bar used many times during the day. Whenever I come across an interesting link, it is saved to delicious (don't ask me where the dots go). Delicious is on the browser's toolbar as well.

Chrome is for Google Reader, keeping up with my 50+ blogs. The Gmail account that I'm switching to. Google Docs for more advanced editing tasks, sharing documents and even concurrent editing of documents (combined with a Skype call). Finally Google sites - but at the moment my wife and I are using it only to build a cookbook and get rid of all the loose stuff. Still, Google sites might be used by me during this course / program. Delicious on the toolbar here as well.

And of course I haven't mentioned all the other uses of my notebook (iTunes, watching DVDs, occasionnally TV since I don't have such an appliance, Dutch radio whenever I get nostalgical in Germany, banking etc. etc.).

There you have it, the first post of week 6. Hope to find some time to reflect upon all this craziness soon.

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  1. >Unfortunately, these social networks are just as much closed environments as many of the 'e-learning systems' like WebCT, or Second Life, all worlds of their own, and I have a hard time connecting them all<

    Good point.  For me, part of the point with argument was that, even though they may be closed off, the ‘inhabitants’ of these areas can do so exist in a different sort of relationship to each other.

    On Cousin – I quite like the rhizome metaphor (but only really got it after having stared thoughtfully at a stem of ginger for a while! :) E.g. http://www.food-info.net/images/ginger.jpg ) For me, it was about the difference between something having a specific beginning and endpoint, a specific purpose that might then mean we are too focussed to make other connections to something that is more organic, multiple, connected.  Like the difference between reading a book straight through (as a linear, focused act) to surfing the web.  With my ‘course design’ hat on, I can see strengths in both metaphors for structuring learning, depending on what kind of learning experience I might be aiming for.

    Thanks for the links to the Mott papers.  It might be worth sharing them on the discussion board with folk.  I had a quick skim of the first and it seemed to tie in very usefully to the Bayne and Cousin readings. (I did have a wee giggle at the campfire metaphor having come off our SL weeks with our virtual campfire).  The OLN reminded me of what Sian and Jen are doing with their Digital Cultures course, which you might be interested in as an experiment in moving away from VLEs. http://edc.education.ed.ac.uk/

    I have a very similar sort of work ‘space’.  ‘Spaces’?  On the synching front  - have you come across dropbox?  I’ve started using it, esp. for working with colleagues and found it quite useful. http://edc.education.ed.ac.uk/

    Cheerio

    C.

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Blog post: 01 November 2010


iGoogle and my PLE

So one of the tasks is to create our own personal learning portal using iGoogle. I had played around with iGoogle some years ago, but never found a good use for it. Not sure what problem iGoogle could solve for me. Amazingly enough, iGoogle does not appear to have evolved in the past few years, so my impression is that Google does not love the product very much itself.

I already had described the way I see my own PLE, and how it works for me.

Naturally, I tried to replicate what I now have in iGoogle, that lead to quite some disappointment.

  • Searching for gadgets to add to your iGoogle page made me wonder: is this Google?? Try a search for 'editor' (I wanted a replacement for Notepad). You'll get results that have really nothing to do with what you're looking for, very unlike Google.
  • No gadget to connect to files. As an alternative I finally created a Dropbox account and added the Dropbox widget, or gadget. Works, but I guess that uploading my library would take about a day.
  • I can't find a way to add links to the iGoogle page, I would have liked a link to, for instance, the Holyrood Park Hub. A workaround might have been a gadget for delicious, but searching for delicious only seem to give gadgets related to cooking.
  • Amazingly enough, there are no gadgets for the Google products that I use frequently: Google reader, Google Docs.
  • I found a way to add Google Mail, but that's only handy to check whether new e-mails are coming in, but then I'd need to look at iGoogle all day ;-).
  • I was able to find a Webskype gadget, it does not work in Google Chrome, it appears broken in Internet Explorer.
  • iGoogle has a chat option, but that is not tied to my Windows Live Messenger. I found a widget but that gave an error message in IE.
  • Added a todo gadget to make a task list for IDEL week 6 and 7.

Even with the few widgets / gagdets on the page, the page is already overcrowded. See the two screendumps (igoogle1 and igoogle2 - nope, I managed before, but can't find how I did it, yet another frustration, please see the discussion board where I will repost and hopefully manage to attach the files) I made to get an overview.

 

So, mapping my PLE as it is right now is impossible.

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  1. Hi Hans

    It sounds like iGoogle far from meets your learner needs!  How would you relate your evaluation of the space to Jen’s questions for discussion (i.e. in terms of ownership, control, personalisation, motivation etc).

    For the screen dumps:
    1.    upload the pics to your file storage area and set to the same access restrictions as your blog
    2.    in edit mode, select the tree icon to insert an image and then copy and paste the url for each file – no need to worry about dimensions etc, unless you want to change them from the original – then press save

    Cheerio

    C.

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Blog post: 02 November 2010


Off on a tangent. Sanger vs (a.o.) Brown and Adler

Jen Ross suggested I'd read the Sanger (2010) article in the WebCT discussion board. Sanger's article is partially a response to an earlier article by Brown and Adler (2008) that I enjoyed very much.

Sanger opens with the question how the internet is changing education, an interesting question indeed and one that I find a bit missing in the IDEL readings (so far). Sanger discusses three 'strands of thinking about education and the internet'.

1. 'Instant availability of information online makes the memorization of facts unnecessary or less necessary.'

2. 'The virtues of collaborative learning as superior to outmoded individual learning.'

3. 'The insistence that lengthy, complex books (...) are inferior to knowledge co-constructed by members of a group.'

In fact, only the second issue responds to Brown and Adler. Issue # 1 is more against Tapscott, while issue # 3 is against Shirky. All three arguments by Sanger are really off in my view, although he has the best of intentions.

The basic error that Sanger makes in all three arguments is that he more or less accuses his self chosen opponents that they claim the internet is replacing something. I did not do a word count on replace and substitute and their variations, but you'll find that these words are used a lot. Sanger misses the point that the 'fancy new set of tools' (p. 19) that the internet offers are extensions, a point that is also being made in one of the readings for this week (Cousin, when she paraphrases McLuhan that 'every kind of technology is an extension of our nervous system'.)

Memorization. I totally agree with what Sanger has to say here, it's just that I don't think that anybody seriously claims that we don't have to learn facts because we can look them up so easily on the internet. You need to have at least a basic understanding of a subject to be able to judge the facts. But once you have that, the internet is a great help. (And the invention of writing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaedrus_(dialogue) look for Thamus and Theuth) did not kill our memory, neither did the invention of the printing press.) And of course it is easy to come up with examples from education, especially from primary and secondary education where kids do an assignment by cutting and pasting from the internet. I am afraid that in most cases that was just the assignment they got. Kids usually do what you expect them to do. And of course, the internet is also great for debunking wrong facts or urban legends, like the one in the Barret / Carney for reading these weeks. Eskimos have many words for snow? Wrong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo_words_for_snow).

Social learning. If I remember correctly from the Brown / Adler article, they don't cite really hard evidence that group learning leads to better results than individual learning (is there?). Yet again, Sanger makes the same move and posits that his opponents say that group learning should replace individual learning. Again, extension is the better word to understand what is going here. Sanger should know that, since he cites Brown / Adler as talking about 'extending education' (p.20). He goes on to state that you can read the Decamerone online, 'but you must mentally process it yourself' (ibid.). Of course, but discussing the Decamerone in a group will lead to a better understanding, especially if you don't have much background in medieval Italian literature. Sanger calls writing an 'essentially solitary act' (ibid.). It is, but writing a blog, or post that is being read by my fellow students surely is different from writing an assignment that is merely being glimpsed at by my tutor (as in most primary and secondary education). I am writing for an audience, so I need to choose my words carefully, and I might get feedback. On the same page, Sanger goes on to criticize online group discussion: 'My notion of a good scholar  - perhaps standards are changing - is someone who is capable of thinking independently'. I think it works the other way around: by engaging in critical discussion with others I learn how to discuss with myself.

Books. Again the word replacement. 'Is participating in online communities via social media a replacement for reading boring old books'. (p. 22) Social media extend my reading experience. I write small book reviews an publish them for my friends (most of whom are more professional acquaintances) on Facebook. I pick up ideas for reading from there. Another quote: 'Blog and Twitter posts, Wikipedia and YouTube contributions, which arguably weaken our attentional capabilities (...).' Uh no. My 50+ RSS feeds act as an important filter. Wikipedia came up as I tried to remember where it was that I heard that the Eskimo many words for snow story is bull. Sometimes I use YouTube as jukebox when discussing songs with my friends. And of course books are not being replaced, book sales go up and up every year. E-readers are taking off real fast now.

I have said it before, I see the technologies that are so rapidly developing among us as opportunities for enhancing learning experiences. But we need to learn how to put them to good use.

Sanger, Larry (2010), Individual Knowledge in the Internet, EDUCAUSE Review, March / April, http://net.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ERM1020.pdf (Accessed November 2, 2010)

Brown, John Seely and Adler, Richard P. (2008), Minds on Fire: Open Education, the Long Tail, and Learning 2.0 EDUCAUSE Review, January / February, http://net.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ERM0811.pdf (Accessed November 2, 2010)

 

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  1. Hi Hans

    It might be useful to include a brief summary of Sanger’s arguments before you critique – that way I can get a clearer sense of what you are agreeing or disagreeing with.  For instance, I thought Sanger’s argument that to know something must be to have memorized it quite intriguing but I was only able to tell that may be what you were agreeing with by checking out the original article.

    On Social learning - I wonder if part of the difference between Brown and Adler (2008) and Sanger (2010) lies in the emphasis on learning v knowledge (process v product)?

    On writing as a solitary act, I can see what Sanger means here (even though I concur with your point that writing requires having an audience in mind and knowing the audience may respond).  I think Sanger’s point was that ultimately it requires the individual effort to attain knowledge.  The debate between the two papers reminds me a little of Gilly Salmon’s five stage model - http://www.atimod.com/e-moderating/5stage.shtml - but with B&A focussing on stage 4 for learners and Sanger on stage 5.

    Good point about books, btw.

    Cheerio

    C.

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Blog post: 03 November 2010


VLEs and PLEs (and PPs)

In another post, I have described the way I see my personal learning environment. It is personal, since I have set it up myself. So naturally the biggest issue with the Wilson et.al (2006) core reading I have is: why would anybody think that they can design a PLE for me? It would immediately loose all personality.

In a sense, I was also offended by the article since many ideas presented there are echoing the seminal paper by Tim O'Reilly, What is Web 2.0 (O'Reilly, 2005), yet we find no reference at all to that paper.

Back to my PLE. It was the easiest thing in the world for me to plug in all the Edinburgh e-learning stuff. Simply add the URL of the Holyrood Park to my bookmarks, and from there, most of the time without an extra login I have access to all the other systems in use, including the VLE.

The Wilson reading sees VLEs in general as an example of 'dominant design', in my view, you can't really call VLEs a dominant design since there are many differences between VLEs, although you can see a convergence as they all have incorporated web 2.0 technologies in the past few years. Even WebCT has a wiki, although the way that is integrated (or rather bolted on) is rather crude. Some VLEs, like Moodle distinguish themselves from other products by explicitly stating that they support a specific pedagogy, constructivism in the case of Moodle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moodle). VLEs in for profit institutions are usually much stronger on statistics and management information (Kolowich 2010). One might say though that VLEs tend to have a sort of dominant architecture in that they were all designed to support a more or less traditional educational concept. They are added to a traditional mix of lectures and core readings. And most teachers use them for very basic tasks like uploading lecture slides. Sure, they have added all these features in response to the market, but what you get is over-featured applications that try to do too many things and, as usual, do nothing really quite good.

This is also recognizable in the IDEL setup. The VLE is basically used for two things: content pushing and online discussion. For the rest, other applications are preferred. I am starting to feel more comfortable using the discussion board, but more substantial posts go to my blog as well, where I have more of a sense of ownership (yes, there is a connection here with the portfolio discussion) since I know for sure that at the end of the course everything in the discussion boards will disappear, or at least become inaccessible to me.

To end my discussion of the Wilson reading: I checked two of the projects they mention in their article, Plex (http://www.bolton.ac.uk/IEC/EducationalSoftware/PLEX.aspx) and TenCompetence (http://www.tencompetence.org/web/guest). Both projects seem dead to me.

So again not a very good reading, sorry to mention it. The Downes article cited in Wilson (footnote 24) might have been a better choice, but then Downes is somewhat controversial. What struck me most about the article is the near absence of any pedagogy, the references to lifelong and lifewide (a new term for me, I know it as 'real world learning') felt almost obligatory.

Then it struck me that I had read two articles (Mott and Wiley, 2009 and Mott, 2010 earlier this year, one of which explicitly departs from a pedagogical point of view (Mot and Wiley, 2009), Bloom's 2 sigma problem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom's_2_Sigma_Problem).

Mott and Wiley (2009) go on to show that the VLE is mainly used by teachers to 'increase the efficiency of the administrative tasks of instruction'. They see it as a missed opportunity that the VLE has not been used to innovate teaching methods. VLEs have three major shortcomings: (1) it imposes a student-throughput model, (2) the VLE does not afford learners the opportunity to contribute to the learning process, (3) the VLE is a walled garden, disconnected from the larger world. (2 and 3 can be recognized in the Wilson core reading.)

Mott and Wiley propose an alternative, which they call open learning network, which they see as a 'hybrid between the CMS (VLE) and the PLE. This is however only very sketchy worked out.

Finally, Mott and Wiley state that 'our assertions about the weaknesses of the CMS paradigm should also be taken as critiques of the predominant pedagogical model in higher education'.

One might also say that VLEs are used mostly for substituting administrative tasks, rather than as extensions, offering new opportunities.

Jen responded to this article:

>many thanks for these references, Johannes. I am intrigued by the author's claims that an open learning network represents something radically different from a learning management system - its imperatives would seem to be exactly the same (to manage and institutionalise - to striate in Bayne's terms? - student work). On the other hand, the notion that content, environments and discussions should be persistent (in the cloud) rather than trapped inside modules, does seem quite radical (in the context of an LMS/VLE).<

It's not radically different since it wants to marry both PLEs and VLEs. My point of view is that the PLE is mine and mine alone, something that I manage myself. And yes the persistence notion is rather radical and something I don't trust the university to take care of. Although I have raised the idea in 2001 that libraries could create repositories for (parts of) portfolios (Roes, 2001). To shamelessly quote myself:

"By taking a knowledge management approach to digital portfolios, these results can be shared over the Internet or, more likely, the intranet. This implies a new task for the library in the management and indexing of these student portfolios in such a way that they too can be integrated with other information resources offered by the library. In this sense, digital portfolios are an extension of the first domain identified -- digital libraries and digital learning environments -- but now include the intranet. The emphasis here is on the institution as a knowledge organization, and the integration of that knowledge with other information resources."

Oh yeah, I have also a PP, a personal portfolio: http://www.hroes.de/artindex.html

Steve Kolowich (2010), The For-Profit LMS Market, Inside Higher Ed, November 1, 2010, The For-Profit LMS Market, http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/11/01/lms (Accessed November 3, 2010)

Jon Mott, David Wiley (2009), Open for Learning: The CMS and the Open Learning Network, in education 15(2), http://www.ineducation.ca/article/open-learning-cms-and-open-learning-network (accessed October 27, 2010)

Jonathan Mott (2010), Envisioning the Post-LMS Era: The Open Learning Network, EDUCAUSE Quarterly Magazine 33(1), http://www.educause.edu/EDUCAUSE+Quarterly/EDUCAUSEQuarterlyMagazineVolum/EnvisioningthePostLMSEraTheOpe/199389 (accessed October 27, 2010)

Tim O'Reilly (2005), What Is Web 2.0. Design Patterns and Business Models for the Next Generation of Software, http://oreilly.com/web2/archive/what-is-web-20.html (Accessed November 3, 2010)

Hans Roes (2001), Digital libraries and education: trends and opportunities, D-Lib Magazine, July / August 2001, http://www.dlib.org/dlib/july01/roes/07roes.html (Accessed November 3, 2010)

Wilson, S., Liber, O., Johnson, M., Beauvoir, P. Sharples, P. & Milligan, C. (2006). Personal Learning Environments: Challenging the dominant design of educational systems. TENC Project: Publications and Preprints. http://dspace.ou.nl/bitstream/1820/727/1/sw_ectel.pdf (Accessed October 25, 2010)

 

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  1. > why would anybody think that they can design a PLE for me? It would immediately loose all personality.<

    Yes, good question.  And leads neatly into what counts as ‘student-centred’.

    On dominant design – I think the point is that although VLEs may differ there is a focus on particular ways of seeing education (hierarchical, bounded etc) that infuse them all and have been taken as a given’.  I see the inclusion of social media into VLEs as more an act of colonialisation (creating a wider reaching bounded space) than an opening up of that original concept behind the VLE.

    > One might say though that VLEs tend to have a sort of dominant architecture in that they were all designed to support a more or less traditional educational concept.<

    Indeed.

    > at the end of the course everything in the discussion boards will disappear, or at least become inaccessible to me<

    It should all be available until after graduation – but yes, in general you’ve got a fair point about ownership here.

    > My point of view is that the PLE is mine and mine alone, something that I manage myself.<

    Rather problematic then for the institutional creation of PLE spaces for students, then?

    Fascinating idea of libraries extending to management of student portfolios – could that be seen also as a way of institutions retaining ownership (by retaining control)?

    C.

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Blog post: 04 November 2010


Some thoughts on portfolios

I read a Dutch book on portfolios years ago (can't find it at the moment). As I remember it, portfolios were discussed in that book as a way to support competence based learning, and the portfolio was presented as a tool for students to 

1. collect and present evidence of their learning / acquired skills
2. reflect on what they had learned and to identify gaps in their knowledge and skills
3. to plan future learning activity

With that in mind, I had a look at Pebblepad, and it seems to me that all these things can be done there. Would it be something I use? No, I already have a solution for that in my PLE. If the course would require me to use Pebblepad, I would use it, you might use it as an alternative for the course blog, for instance. Another reason though I would rather not use it is that I could not find an easy way to export stuff from Pebblepad, so I'd fear a potential lock-in.

On to the readings. Ayala's article reads as a pamphlet and raises questions. Second paragraph for instance: portfolios as an attempt to solve curricular issues. What issues? Seventh paragraph: no discussions mentioning student-centered pedagogy (...) have infiltrated the discussion on e-portfolio (...). That's not my recollection of the Dutch book that I read (I really need to find that back). Eleventh paragraph: democratize, all for it. But what about: should be build on a constructivist knowledge paradigm, a little elaboration would have been nice here. Twelfth paragraph: discussion about why portfolios are valuable have not appeared in the literature, I don't think so.

The Barrett / Carney reading. I have written elsewhere that the eskimo snow words story is an urban legend. But there is something basically wrong in this article. First they make a big fuss about incompatibility of accountability, learning and marketing purposes. No, they are all related. And even a quick glance of Pebblepad shows you that you can manage your assets there for all three purposes. And indeed, Barrett / Carney even see this on the eight page: "Students can draw from the same collection of evidence as they respond to and create multiple portfolios."

Third page, a survey of six people?! Really? Can you get this through peer review?

Okay Clara, this concludes my work for the last two weeks, I'll be hitting the road again tomorrow and won't have much time until Monday.

Looking at the activities list, I see that I have not played around with WebCT. I had the plan to create an alternative - smooth, in Bayne's words - 'learning environment' in the WebCT wiki, just to show that a more level playing field between teachers and students is possible, even in WebCT. Alas, haven't gotten around doing that.

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  1. >I'd fear a potential lock-in.<

    Good point.  Particularly worrying when moving on from the institution.

    On Ayala and ‘curricular issues’ – well, based on your readings, what curricular issues do you think portfolios might solve?  :)

    >First they make a big fuss about incompatibility of accountability, learning and marketing purposes. No, they are all related.<

    You don’t think there are any tensions between the three purposes then?

    Happy weekending.  Next week it might be good to start trying to draw your critiques of the readings together a bit more.  I know you said you weren’t quite ready for it, but it looks to me like you are.  :)

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Blog post: 18 November 2010


IDEL week 9: Web 2.0, misconceptions, and possible implications for learning

(Warning, this is a long post, over 2,500 words. Than again, this should compensate for several smaller posts, and I needed the space to draw my thoughts together.)

Web 2.0 is probably one of the most abused terms in the past five years. And because of all this abuse, probably also one of the least understood. Any discussion about web 2.0 should therefore start with going back to the origin. Web 2.0 was introduced in 2004 by Tim O'Reilly (2005)  in order to describe a paradigm shift that was going on in the world wide web. In his article O'Reilly describes seven 'design principles' in order to make the shift clear. 

These design principles, and some keywords to describe them, are:

1. The web as platform: services, participation, network effects (a service gets better the more people use it), users add value.

2. Harnessing collective intelligence: connections, links, user engagement, collect data and compute on them in order to improve services further, wikipedia - a radical experiment in trust, tags and folksonomies, RSS, permalinks, blogs as conversations.

3. Data is the next Intel inside: user generated data (Amazon recommendations), mash-ups.

4. End of the software release cycle: release early / release often, perpetual beta, user feedback, users treated as co-developers.

5. Lightweight programming models: loosely coupled systems, re-use of data, APIs, hackable, remixable.

6. Software above the level of a single device: iTunes as store, as music management program, as feeder of iPods.

7. Rich user experiences: the rise of web applications as good or better than stand alone software (GMail)

Four years later O'Reilly and Batelle (2009) published a follow-up paper: Web Squared, where the 2 from 2.0 has now been promoted to an exponent. This meme has not (yet) caught on. More importantly, the follow-up paper shows how the principles described in 2005 are still at work an at an accelerating pace. More and more people are creating more and more data, by participating in social networks, by location data from their smartphones &c., and businesses that can structure and compute on these data, and put them to good use thrive. 

The reason I start out with these two readings is that there is much more to the term web 2.0 than social media alone. And there is more to social media than meets the eye. Take a blog, for example. On the face of it, it enables a user to easily create web content, without having to know any HTML. The blog becomes more interesting when it uses permalinks to refer to other blogs and becomes now part of a conversation. Below the hood, something even more intriguing is going on: through the RSS feed of the blog, search engines can almost real-time index this ongoing discussion, computation on those indexes can detect trends. 

Also, I think it is important to note that in the principles mentioned above there is nothing that relates directly to learning (although the Websquared paper uses the metaphor of the web itself as a learning entity, we, the users, are teaching it by feeding it ever more data). The design principles are at its most powerful at web scale. Most learning takes place at a very small scale. Compare for instance the IDEL course where blogs are mainly used for sustaining a dialog between tutor(s) and student.

Against that background, I started reading the 2009 JISC Report, Higher Education in a Web 2.0 world. The report suffers from a number of misconceptions. The first is that it assumes that there is something to the whole net generation discussion, whereas we have seen that this is over generalizing. The second misconception is that it equates web 2.0 and the social web. The third misconception is even hilarious: "Decisions on whether or not to implement Web 2.0 technologies are, however, the responsibility of each institution individually having regard to its particular ethos and circumstances." (p. 31) Sorry, but that is not how it works. Those technologies are out there, our students are using them, and even 11-16 year old students know how to circumvent use restrictions by schools (Clark et al., 2009).

Another annoying thing in the JISC report is the frequent mentioning of something called e-pedagogy, defined as "learning with and / or through technology". Is that all there is? Okay, they sense that the affordances of new technologies call for thinking about new educational approaches. And there is a hint to constructivism on p. 36. 

And to end positively, there is at least one web 2.0 characteristic that found its way in the report, we find it on p. 38: "The involvement of students in the development of tools for learning and teaching cannot be achieved by fiat and immediately; rather it is a position to be developed over time. However, we believe that the resulting outcomes for tutors, students and HE overall stand to be highly positive and rewarding." This echoes O'Reilly's idea of users as co-developers.

The interesting question is of course whether students and teachers would be comfortable with a more flat hierarchy.  We discussed the ECAR studies during the net generation week that show that most students are asking for good old f2f teaching. But who knows, maybe British students are different. So what a joy to find a report by the National Union of Students (NUS) on their perspective on technology, just published last month (HEFCE 2010).

At least style-wise, the NUS report echoes the JISC (2009) report with its numbered paragraphs. The approach has been a bit different though, in that they explicitly used Facebook and Twitter in their methodology. Of course there is the expected rant that teachers are lacking technology skills. On the other hand, the students themselves also ask for skills training, for instance in searching, although a survey they undertook showed that 88.6 percent regarded themselves a 'effective online searchers'. (p. 4) The biggest surprise we see in paragraph 102: "Yet students with a working understanding of ICT may have a transformative effect on teaching practices, no longer being passive, but actively involved, and educating lecturers en route." (p. 28) Even students can see themselves in a role as co-developers. 

Of course, the space I devoted to these two 50+ pages reports is too limited to do them justice.  To me, they both show that there is a huge uncertainty - among students, teachers, and administrators - when it comes to web 2.0, or even more limited, the social web, and its possible implications for (e-) learning. 

Then again, this whole idea of students as co-developers is already happening, for instance in the Open Wetware (http://openwetware.org/wiki/Courses) project, a community of bio-engineers:

"As more and more people got on, it became apparent that the collaboration could benefit other endeavors, such as classes. Instead of making do with a static Web page posted by a professor, students began to create dynamically evolving class sites where they could post lab results, ask questions, discuss the answers and even write collaborative essays. "And it all stayed on the site, where it made the class better for next year," says Shetty, who has built an OpenWetWare template for creating such class sites." (Waldrop, 2008)

Or, to quote William Gibson: "The future is already here - it's just not evenly distributed." (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/William_Gibson

It should also be noted that there is another web 2.0 principle at work here: re-use of data.

On to the other readings. Ravenscroft (2009) starts out with the now familiar misconception that web 2.0 equals social software, but asks the right question:"What are the implications for learning?" (p.1) Skipping the article summaries there seem to be some interesting references to earlier work of Ravenscroft hinting at learning design that I will want to follow up on. Ravenscroft's comments on the tension between 'highly structured' learning / teaching and the 'more collaborative, volatile and anarchic nature of the social web' (p. 5) echo the smooth / striated distinction from Bayne in earlier weeks. Since that tension interests me, I chose two articles in the special issue to delve more into that.

Clark et al. (2009) show how young (11 - 16 yo) learners and their teachers are struggling with the invasion of new technologies and how these new technologies are blurring distinctions / crossing lines between the young people's social environments and the school environment. With the growth of the mobile web, these tensions will only become stronger. The sloppy use of data in the article (table 2, p. 61, where the total percentages cannot adequately be traced back to the constituent samples) did not invite me to go much deeper into this article. I have reported my issues with table 2 to the lead author, Wilma Clark.

The Trentin (2009) article is a prime example of striating an originally smooth tool, the wiki. The good thing about the article is that it also introduces some 'rules for distributed writing' (p. 45), although introducing these rules in itself already implies a structuring of an environment that is intrinsically anarchic. On the other hand, even Wikipedia has developed guidelines for its contributors (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents/Policies_and_guideli). 

This is also in sharp contrast to the activity for this week where Bayne has chosen for an almost completely smooth approach in hardly offering any guidance or feedback in wikifying David Silver's article. I added some text, I added some links, I created a page for suggested readings, I embedded a video, and I added a comment in order to see whether we can have some 'meta' discussion on where the group wants the wiki to go. But as of November 18, there is not much progress in this area.

Back to Trentin. The methodology he describes for arriving at grades seems to me quite a burden for teachers, although one could choose to offload some of the work to students. Interestingly enough, peer assessment seems to correlate well with more objective measurements of activity (p. 48) which would have been an interesting thing for follow-up research. Instead, Trentin wants to build a wiki that collects the data he needs for his grading methodology. Well, good luck to him with that striated approach.

From wiki's to hypertext is but a short distance, so on to the final reading for these weeks, Landow (2006), Hypertext 3.0, where the 3.0 refers to the third edition of the book. Some observations:

  • The book obviously evolved as hypertext, unfortunately, we have to do with the linear printed text (and a scanned image at that).
  • I searched the Victorian Web (http://www.victorianweb.org/) for the hypertext version, but no. Obviously the author is not very much into Open Access yet, and boy, did that website look Web 1.0ish. Converting the thing to a wiki might make more sense.
  • Deja vu. In week 4 and 5 we had Gee (2003) the linguist that seemed to be developing his own learning theory based on his experiences with a particular computer game. Now we have a literature professor sharing his pedagogical insights gained from working with his students on hypertext. As with Gee, it is not clear how these experiences / insights might be generalized, how they might fit in an overarching pedagogical framework.
  • There's Landow's remark on p. 279 about hypertext 'providing the means of integrating subject materials of a single course with other courses.' I noticed that the Holyrood PBWiki is two parts, for two different courses. Alas, I did not have access to the wiki of the other course (Digital Futures), but I guess that was a deliberate design decision. 
  • On p. 281 we find the beautiful word 'extended' again. Yes!

Landow's discussion also echoes what we see in the Open Wetware project mentioned earlier (Waldrop, 2008). Material is created by students and becomes available as a resource for future students (p. 285). I also love the way how Landow describes how he redesigned his assignments in order to show students the advantages of hypertext (p. 286). Many more good points in this text, I truly enjoyed it.

Words that keep on recurring are extension and design. From our web 2.0 discussion we might add re-use and students as co-creators. I've also mentioned the smooth / striated distinction a few times.

With regard to that last distinction there's another interesting experience that I mentioned on the WebCT discussion board for these weeks:

"Comparing week 6/7 with week 8/9 (so far), I think what we see is what I hereby would like to dub as the WYGIWYE design principle: what you get is what you expect.

Week 6/7 might be said to be 'over designed', where week 8/9 looks rather 'under designed'. Lots and lots of activities and literature in week 6/7 plus a tutor actively steering the discussion board. Result 218 messages on the db for those weeks. So far we have 21 messages on the db for week 8/9.

So one learning outcome for me is that a design needs to find a balance, especially when it comes to what you expect your students to do."
(IDEL WebCT Discussion Board, November 12, 2010)

The observation led mostly to students expressing their relieve about the 'breather' they got. There's was also the remark by Bo Causer that it must be frustrating for the IDEL team to 'teach teachers'. To which Nigel Mehdi replied that it is the recursive element here that fascinates him. Exactly, I am learning as much from using the many digital environments set up for us by the IDEL team, and the way they where set up by them, and the way they are being 'led' by the tutors, as from the literature.

The experience also sheds yet another light on the smooth / striated distinction. However smooth you set up / design a learning experience, your students will expect some structure, some leadership, some expectations (expect expectations? can you say that? well I hope it is clear what I am hinting at), or ... some striation. Again it is not either / or, it's all about balancing a design.


Clark, W. et al. (2009), Beyond Web 2.0: mapping the technology landscapes of young learners, Journal of Computer Assisted Learning, 25, 56-69 

Gee, J. P. (2003). Learning and Identity: What does it mean to be half-elf? In What video games have to teach us about learning and literacy (pp. 51-71). Basingstoke: Palgrave Macmillan

HEFCE (2010), Student Perspectives on Technology - demand, perceptions and training needs, Report to HEFCE by NUS, http://www.hefce.ac.uk/pubs/rdreports/2010/rd18_10/rd18_10.pdf (Accessed November 9, 2010)

JISC (2009), Higher Education in a Web 2.0 World, http://www.jisc.ac.uk/media/documents/publications/heweb20rpt (Accessed November 5, 2010)

Landow, G (2006) Hypertext 3.0: Critical Theory and New Media in a Global Era (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press), extracts: 278-291 and 302-309 

O'Reilly, Tim (2005), What is Web 2.0. Design Patterns and Business Models for the Next Generation of Software. http://oreilly.com/web2/archive/what-is-web-20.html (Accessed November 9, 2010)

O'Reilly, Tim and Batelle, John (2009), Web Squared: Web 2.0 Five Years On, http://assets.en.oreilly.com/1/event/28/web2009_websquared-whitepape (Accessed November 14, 2010)

Ravenscroft, A. (2009), Social software,Web 2.0 and learning: status and
implications of an evolving paradigm, Journal of Computer Assisted Learning, 25, 1-5

Trentin, G. (2009), Using a wiki to evaluate individual contribution to a collaborative learning project, Journal of Computer Assisted Learning, 25, 43-55

Waldrop, M. Mitchell (2008), Science 2.0 – Is Open Access Science the Future?, Scientific American Magazine, April 2008,http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=science-2-point-0 (Accessed November 15, 2010)





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  1. Hi Hans

    Apologies for the delay in response. This is certainly a wide-ranging post.  I think your choice to start with the origins of the term ‘web 2.0’ was a useful that grounded your post well.

    As I read your post, though, I found myself wanting to know more about particular statements you made – what your reasoning behind them was, evidence you might use to support them.  For instance, why is web 2.0 ‘probably one of the most abused terms in the past five years’? In what ways is there ‘much more to the term web 2.0 than social media alone’? 

    On to some particulars:
    >Also, I think it is important to note that in the principles mentioned above there is nothing that relates directly to learning.<
    I wonder though – and I know we are straying into metaphor territory here! – if there’s a way of seeing this as relatable principles to a constructivist approach to learning?

    >The 2009 JISC Report, Higher Education in a Web 2.0 world. The report suffers from a number of misconceptions.<
    It’s not that I disagree with your take on these misconceptions – but it is useful to be explicit about why you think this is so and what evidence you might use to demonstrate this (as you did very well with the third misconception).

    >Another annoying thing in the JISC report is the frequent mentioning of something called e-pedagogy, defined as "learning with and / or through technology"<
    Yes, I don’t think that has been teased out.  What’s your take on it?  How would you define the term?  Or would you use a different term? Or none at all? Do new technologies necessitate a change in pedagogical thinking?

    >The interesting question is of course whether students and teachers would be comfortable with a more flat hierarchy.<
    Indeed.  And would educational institutions, validation and accreditation bodies be comfortable with it?

    >a report by the National Union of Students (NUS)<
    Good find.  I think findings like ‘88.6 percent regarded themselves a 'effective online searchers'’ might need to be taken with a grain of salt.  Would librarians rate students searching skills as highly? :)

    >To me, they both show that there is a huge uncertainty - among students, teachers, and administrators - when it comes to web 2.0, or even more limited, the social web, and its possible implications for (e-) learning.<
    I think that’s a fair conclusion.

    >…echo the smooth / striated distinction from Bayne in earlier weeks. Since that tension interests me, I chose two articles in the special issue to delve more into that.<
    I think you’ve done something quite interesting here and highlighted a number of ways in which  spaces are being blurred and redefined.

    >This is also in sharp contrast to the activity for this week where Bayne has chosen for an almost completely smooth approach in hardly offering any guidance or feedback<
    The ‘Online Assessment’ tutor in me would argue that the involvement of other students constitutes a form of feedback. :)  I do think a strength (and perhaps also a challenge) of the IDEL team teaching approach is that you can experience different teaching strategies across the course.

    >Deja vu. … As with Gee, it is not clear how these experiences / insights might be generalized, how they might fit in an overarching pedagogical framework.<
    Hopefully, you can take these theories into Course Design and examine how they fit with the pedagogical approaches we will examine then.

    > I noticed that the Holyrood PBWiki is two parts, for two different courses. Alas, I did not have access to the wiki of the other course (Digital Futures), but I guess that was a deliberate design decision.<
    Yes, some areas are cordoned off.  There are, however, loads of other previous courses wiki work available – just click on the links to the archives. http://holyroodpark.pbworks.com/w/page/18883818/FrontPage

    >The observation led mostly to students expressing their relieve about the 'breather' they got.<
    An idea worth re-visiting during next week’s readings on silence and sanctuary!

    >Again it is not either / or, it's all about balancing a design.<
    I absolutely agree!

    Cheerio

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Blog post: 26 November 2010


My trouble with the word presence

(I just posted this in a thread / conversation with Rory on the WebCT discussion board, but I think it's worth keeping it here in the blog as well.)

Thanks for the reply, Rory.

I think part of my problem is that I reserve the word presence for something physical. I think I would be more comfortable with the phrase 'virtual presence', but even that is problematic. When you use the adjective virtual, you're still trapping yourself in an analogous way of thinking. For instance, the phrase 'virtual space' seems to refer to a space, again a very physical thing, to me. To me, SL is not a space at all, it exists as bits on servers and my notebook that are connected through a network and becomes 'visible' (cartoon style) through my monitor, and audible through my speakers. I can type in a chatbox, or use my computer's mike to talk, but in the end its all just bits. So, 'I' can never be in SL.

Similar with this thread. I type this in a word processor and will later cust and paste this text to the WebCT discussion board. I don't think of myself as being 'in WebCT'. WebCT is also just bits. When I have posted my text there, than you might say that text is present there, but not me.

Your explanation of cognitive presence was helpful, thanks for that.

Now on to the implications for e-learning. I think that as long as we keep talking about virtual classrooms, learning systems as Blackboard &c., we're thinking in terms of analogy. We're thinking in terms of how something 'e' can replace some activity in a traditional learning / teaching setting. To me, the interesting possibilities of technology appear at the edges, when we try to think of things 'e' as extensions. What does 'e' allow us to do that we could never do in a traditional classroom setting?

One example might be the MScEL program. I think this exists only because you can do this whole program online. It might be hard to find enough students in Scotland to make this program economically feasible. Since it is now possible to recruit students internationally, world wide, the equation has changed considerably. Yes, of course you could also do it as a traditional long distance learning package, but the structure and communication that you can add in an e-learning setting helps students to stay focussed and schedule time on task.

Another example would be collaborative research, with a group of graduate students one would be able to digest a large amount of literature and build a knowledge base, for instance in a wiki, very fast. This would be different from the situation in which all your students read the same textbook, or same articles. Even more interesting: the wiki might stay on for students in coming years, for them to expand and to build upon.

 

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  1. Hi Hans.  I’ve had a sneak peek into that discussion board chat.  Has your position changed at all based on others’ arguments?  How do you relate to the way the literature we covered is defining and arguing for particular concepts of ‘presence’?  If you were to define presence in more detail than simply ‘something physical’, what would it be?  Looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts!
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Blog post: 29 November 2010


Presences and Communities of Inquiry

Never have I seen so many different definitions of presence as in IDEL week 10. 

The Lombard and Ditton (1997) article goes very in depth with the concept of presence, in the end however, their concept is a rather technical one: "the perceptual illusion of nonmediation" when it comes to users interacting which either other through media or users interacting with media. Learning is only mentioned very briefly twice. The first one is virtual reality systems for skills training, the second mentioning is about the memory effects of media use, where the effects are inconclusive, it can either enhance or reduce memory. I wish anybody could tell me the relevance of this core reading for the IDEL course. What was it that I was supposed to learn from this article? What did I miss?

The Garrison and Anderson reading is a useful follow up to my blog post in week 6 and 7 where I discussed Sanger versus Adler and Brown, since it looks at learners as both individual "independent thinkers" and "interdependent, collaborative learners". I also like the following quote: "It is a serious mistake to categorize teaching and learning in terms of extreme positions."   (p. 23) which echoes the week 8 and 9 discussion we had about a flatter hierarchy between teachers and students. This is carried on in the description of a community of inquiry as "teacher guided, non-authoritarian community" (p. 27). At first, I found the concepts of social, cognitive and teaching presence confusing, in that I found the use of the word presence here confusing - and, completely different from the way in which Lombard and Ditton use the term. This confusion can only be reduced by thinking of the highly abstract model of a community of inquiry, presented by Garrison and Anderson, as a group of students and teachers that interact which each other. Table 3.1 describing the community of inquiry in terms of presences, categories and indicators seems to me an example of an overall learning / teaching framework that I have been looking for since I started this course. It might be useful as an overall high level blueprint when designing learning environments. At the same time, I wonder whether this framework is not highly influenced by an idealized class room metaphor.

Garrison and Anderson's abstract model comes to life in the Stodel et al. (2006) article. One can also read this article as giving practical recommendations when setting up e-learning environments. However, the extremely low number of students participating in this qualitative research (10) and the heavy gender bias (9 females, one male) should make one cautious in generalizing any results from this research. 

These shortcomings are not present in the Shea, Li, and Pickett (2006) article that report quantitative research on a much larger sample (and, in passing, the whole idea of a net generation is effectively refuted once again). Shea et al. also ground their research very broadly by referring to work by Bransford (new to me), Chickering and Gamson (mentioned quite frequently at the Educause 2001 conference in Indianapolis that I attended, IIRC, they also wrote an article about how these principles could guide setting up e-learning environments), and, again, Garrison and Anderson. Again the community of inquiry framework is brought to life in that they develop a Teaching Presence Scale to measure the different aspects of this concept. The overall conclusion that "a strong and active presence on the part of the instructor, one in which he or she actively guides and orchestrates the discourse, is related both to students' sense of connectedness and learning." (p. 185) is an important one. Although it is not a completely unexpected result, it has some interesting implications. One is that it emphasizes the importance of the teacher in the learning experience. Such a result could be useful to counter arguments that the role of the teacher will diminish in e-learning environments. Another implication has to do with scalability - if students in an online environment require the same amount of attention, and thus time, by their tutors as in an offline environment one wonders whether there might be some economic advantages to e-learning. On the other hand, reading the Stodel et al. articles and the comments of the students in there, one might also wonder whether this is such a surprise: students seem to basically ask their teachers to replicate the class room experience in an online environment. Our ideas of what teaching and learning are, or ought to be, are obviously deeply rooted. 

It's the same experience I had in developing digital libraries over the past 20 years, libraries are deeply associated with physical books in peoples' minds. And trying to replicate these physical environments in e-environments  leads to weird results - the way the Garrison and Anderson book was available through the MyILibrary interface was a prime example of this. True innovation can only happen when we go past our deeply rooted ideas of what a thing, an activity should be.

Garrison, D. and Anderson, T. (2003), Community of inquiry, chapter 3 of E-learning in the 21st century (London: RoutledgeFalmer) pp.22-31

Lombard, M. and Ditton, T. (1997), At the Heart of It All: The Concept of Presence. Journal of Computer-Mediated Communication, 3 (2)

Shea, P., Li, C. S. and Pickett, A. (2006), A study of teaching presence and student sense of learning community in fully online and web-enhanced college courses. The Internet and Higher Education , 9(3)

Stodel, E. et al. (2006). Learners' Perspectives on What is Missing from Online Learning: Interpretations through the Community of Inquiry Framework. The International Review of Research in Open and Distance Learning, 7 (3)

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  1. Hi Hans

    >Never have I seen so many different definitions of presence as in IDEL week 10.

    Before the readings, what would you have thought of presence as? 

    >I wish anybody could tell me the relevance of this core reading for the IDEL course. What was it that I was supposed to learn from this article? What did I miss?<

    Well, why do you think presence might be relevant for online learning? Are there ways in which Lombard and Ditton’s take on presence are then useful for considering that? (e.g. can ideas around social richness, realism, transportation etc be useful for thinking about what might make e-learning work?)

    >The Garrison and Anderson reading is a useful follow up to my blog post…<

    I really like the way you’ve linked this reading back to previous discussion, readings and posts you have made. 

    I concur with your point about the model being linked to an idealised conception of teaching and learning (one that also has a very specific stance on what counts as good/effective learning).

    Likewise, I think you’ve drawn out some useful implications on the teacher role from Shea et al (2006).  I wonder if things like the online environment itself, the activities set out, and so on could act as signifiers of the teacher presence? 

    >Our ideas of what teaching and learning are, or ought to be, are obviously deeply rooted. <

    Yep, and when it comes to scalability, a useful approach is to consider peer-peer interactions – but this requires first shifting the expectation of teacher presence, and scaffolding the appropriate interactions of peers.  You might be interested in some work that’s being done around this by reap (http://www.reap.ac.uk/ )

    Cheers

    C.

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Blog post: 02 December 2010


Choose, focus, manage your time

Well, well, what a turbulent end to the semester, but somehow, I think my attempt at flattening hierarchies between teachers and students worked ;-). But now iTunes is playing Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros' Silver and Gold, because it has this beautiful line: "I got to hurry up before I grow too old." That song would have been apt for the wall wisher, but I don't want to run the UofE into trouble with rights organizations. The alternative would have been to repeat my wall wisher video from the opening week, also very apt. But that would be repeating myself and "I got to hurry up before I grow too old." So please Clara, have a look at the wall wisher and just think of what I just wrote down.

I also won't appear in the Adobe Connect sessions this week. Been there, done that. And I don't want to risk having to discuss the Land reading and get angry again. Kudos though to Hamish who lured me in a related discussion on the db yesterday night. I enjoyed it and it was, in a way, a healing experience. And a wonderful example of how a teacher can show his commitment to an, obviously, difficult and demanding student in an online environment. 

Let's get started with two additional readings. The first one is the Guardian column by Charlie Brooker. The guy sets himself up for maximum distraction and then starts whining that the technology is to blame, really amazing. And if you don't like Google Instant, turn it off, the option is just to the right of the Google search bar. Thank God that Brooker just in time found the Pomodoro technique, so he was able to end his poorly written column.

On to Anderson, the second journalistic piece that Brooker maybe could have consulted before he wrote his column. The piece is well researched, but in the end, one misses an author's position on his subject. The part describing the research on multitasking and it's effects on the brain and learning is very informative. The part that describes Gallagher's work reflects exactly my idea on the issues of information overload and the 'attentional crisis'. People really need to learn how to make choices in what they want to do, read, listen to, or watch. Since I threw out my television years ago I have much more time to read. I gave up all terrain biking when I started horse riding again. Less is, in the end, really more. But, as I discussed with Hamish last night, people are bad at making choices and they get worse at it the more choices they have. My position is that the technology that is said to cause the trouble will also help us getting out of the mess we're putting ourselves in. One needs to learn how to use it wisely. It is possible.

Which is a nice bridge to the Levy reading, because that is in a way also the position of Vannevar Bush, one of the two protagonists of Levy's article. Ah, the ever accelerating speed of life, it's an age old problem that people complain about. Yes, time seems to move faster now that I am well into my fifties (cue Joe Strummer) and gone is the blissful boredom that I experienced when I was young and had to go to school on Saturday mornings as well. Strange isn't it: the working week has become shorter, and yet people complain they have got less time? Choose (again), focus on what you really want with your life (ah, but that's difficult isn't it? yes, but it wouldn't be fun if it wasn't difficult), think about managing your time, don't do more than one thing at a time (much more effective and satisfying). 

The mentioning of the 'library problem' reminded me of a quote of, I think, Dan Dennett that scholars are libraries' tools for creating more libraries. Anyway, my experiences in library innovation over the past 20 years are that you can create great tools for scholars, but that in the end, their, what I call, 'information habits' are quite sticky. I don't think I mentioned unlearning in my blog before, unlearning might be more difficult than learning.

I could go on and write about the many notes I made in the margins of this article, it was well worth reading, but in the end, even in this scholarly article we find back the basic misconception that something bad is happening to us and that it is technology that is to blame for that. If you want more time to think, than plan your schedule accordingly. Choose and focus on your goals, and use technology that helps you to accomplish your goals and don't let it get in your way.

Reading back what I just wrote I notice that it almost reads like a sermon. 

But anyway: "I got to hurry up before I grow too old."
 
Anderson, S. (2009). In Defense of Distraction. New York Magazine, 25 May 2009.

Brooker, C. (2010). Google Instant is Trying to Kill Me. The Guardian, 13 September 2010.

Land, R. (2006). Networked Learning and the Politics of Speed: a Dromological Perspective. Proceedings of the Fifth International Conference on Networked Learning, Networked Learning Conference 2006, Lancaster University.

Levy, D. (2007). No time to think: Reflections on information technology and contemplative scholarship. Ethics and Information Technology, 9(4): 233–236. 

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  1. I quite like the idea of including your intro wallwisher post as your contemplative one.  It has a nice sense of symmetry.

    As for not coming to Connect, I think that’s a shame.  The idea is not just to experience Connect, but to have an opportunity to connect differently with course members and to have a wide ranging, and hopefully relaxed, discussion.

    > Brooker. The guy sets himself up for maximum distraction and then starts whining that the technology is to blame, really amazing.<

    To me this is simply a strategy of columnists, and Brooker is a satirist, so it’s in keeping with his style to over-exaggerate in an effort to make his point (that it is about self mamagement).

    > My position is that the technology that is said to cause the trouble will also help us getting out of the mess we're putting ourselves in. One needs to learn how to use it wisely. It is possible.<

    Yep, I can see that.  But I think the issue of developing appropriate social practices contextualises and helps us understand why individuals might struggle to make appropriate choices.  And that individuals do continue to struggle is worth keeping in mind when considering what the implications of our choices of environment, pedagogical approach and so on might be.

    Out of curiosity – what makes the Levy article scholarly to you?

    Cheerio
    
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Blog post: 06 December 2010


Final thoughts

I'd like to offer three things as final thoughts regarding the IDEL10 course.

 

  • First is a word cloud IDEL10 Wordle BW.pdf (you might want to save this and open in a pdf viewer that has the ability to rotate the view). It was created based on the over 20,000 words I wrote in 26 posts in this blog over the past three months. The cloud was generated by http://www.wordle.net. Students, Discussion and Learning seem to be the most frequently used words. Yep, students sure discussed learning. 
  • Second is a mindmap elearning mindmap.pdf centering on e-learning created in Google Docs. It's different from what I would have drawn three months ago. The technologies mentioned are the ones we encountered, although I can see now that I have omitted Twitter, even though I tweeted on a regular basis with the hashtag #mscel. And of course there are many other technologies out there.
  • Third, I looked at the course learning outcomes as described in the IDEL10 Course Guide, page 5.
  1. "Critically evaluate a range of technologies in terms of their impact on teaching and learning." Although the use of most technologies throughout the IDEL10 course was on a rather basic level, there are lots of critical remarks regarding technologies and technology use in my blog.
  2. "Begin to design your own online learning resources." Although the word design is frequently used in my blog (look at the word cloud, it's wedged in the second N of learning) there were not many activities regarding design in the course itself. I think I learned most about design by critically looking at the setup of the IDEL10 course, and the way this design was employed by the different team members.
  3. "Contextualise your own practice in terms of the key issues emerging from current research in e-learning." Wherever possible, I brought in anecdotes from my own experience, although want might say that these anecdotes were used as much to contextualise the readings, as the other way around.

Finally. I know I have been a "difficult and demanding student" like I wrote in my last blog post. I do hope though that some of my criticism of the IDEL10 course will make it into the team's evaluation. Should this lead to more specific questions you'd like to ask me, please contact me.

Thanks to all of you, and in particular to Clara (you're in the word cloud as well, upper left corner, right above the word 'also', that can't be a coincidence ;-) for bearing with me.

 

 

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  1. Hi Hans

    > Yep, students sure discussed learning.<

    :)  Any particular concepts we covered this semester that you found particularly interesting (in particular, worth following up for an assignment topic?)

    > Mindmap
     
    I’m intrigued by this and would love to know more about the relationships you’ve mapped out. I particularly liked that the assessment relationship between teachers and students is two way – that’s a key insight that is all too easily overlooked!  I wonder if there’s relationships that can be drawn directly between the students and technologies? Is there a space for students engaging with tech in non-formalised learning ways? 

    How is the map different from at the start of the course?

    > Outcomes
    >… there are lots of critical remarks regarding technologies and technology use in my blog.<

    ☺  Are there any basics tenets you would sum up (say for folk entering the elearning arena for the first time)?

    > Finally. I know I have been a "difficult and demanding student" like I wrote in my last blog post. I do hope though that some of my criticism of the IDEL10 course will make it into the team's evaluation.<

    Any feedback we receive is always taken on board.  :) And I don’t consider you a demanding student, Hans.  I think any difficulty we’ve encountered along the way can be traced back to the mismatch of expectations and actuality of the course – we are, perhaps, after different things here.  That doesn’t make you ‘difficult’ any more than it makes me or the rest of the course team ‘difficult’.

    Looking forward to seeing you in Course Design or Online Assessment (or both!).  :)

    Clara

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Blog post: 10 December 2010


Final final thoughts

I made some minor changes to the mind map. Assessment is now fully two-way, it wasn't before. And I have added Twitter and PBwiki to the technologies list.

Some short remarks:

 

  • Like I said, I think I could not have drawn the map this way at the beginning of the course. No idea, what kind of map I would have drawn then.
  • The bottom part of the map is heavily influenced by the community of inquiry model.
  • I could have added more relations, but tried to concentrate on the most important ones.
  • Technologies are relatively isolated, they are really the least interesting part, I think.
  • The way library / resources are integrated is consistent with my thinking since about 10 years.
  • I have added two web 2.0 principles, re-use of data, and co-design. Co-design is also responsible for the only crossing line in the map, but students cross a teachers' line, which is in its own way rather funny.
  • Design and activities stand heavily out as important nodes. These will be interesting candidates for mind maps of their own.
  • O yeah, students are the most busy node in the map, also kind of interesting.
     
But the most important result for me is that it is a nice structure capturing many things covered in the course, in a way that makes sense to me. Maybe to others as well, I hope.

 

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